tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post6164207009499253252..comments2024-03-24T23:41:23.944-07:00Comments on Talk Wisdom: Stripped bare: 'Gay' school plot unveiledChristinewjchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18434229284833642438noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-43106269211287294512007-12-14T11:52:00.000-08:002007-12-14T11:52:00.000-08:00Good points Mark! Especially this:"There are no f...Good points Mark! Especially this:<BR/><BR/>"There are no fully developed individuals. The one basic quality in each is the fact all of them have willfully ignored God and did what they thought was right, not God."<BR/><BR/>Non-believers seem to imply that when a person is labeled as "righteous" in the OT, then they should be perfect and sinless. We all know that this is not the case.<BR/><BR/>David was labeled as, "a man after God's own heart." Yet, he committed a multitude of sins, including adultery and even the order to have someone murdered!!<BR/><BR/>So, what was the reason that the Bible called him "a man after God's own heart?" I think it had to do with both his faith and also his knowledge of the need to repent. <BR/><BR/>Before the cross of Christ, the OT believers had their faith in God, God's Word, and the promise of the coming Messiah to live by. When they fell short, they paid huge temporal consequences. But when they repented, they were restored. It was their <I>faith</I> that was accounted as righteousness. This is what we learned about Abraham through God's Word. Abraham's <B>faith</B> was accounted to him as righteousness.<BR/><BR/>Since there was no one to be found who was completely sinless, totally righteous, utmost and holy, and, able to fulfill God's promise of the coming Messiah to pay the price for the sins of mankind (and save people from their sins); God sent His Son Jesus to be the propitiation for our sin. Thus, through repentance for our sin and belief in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord over our lives, we are then justified before Holy God because of <B>Who Jesus is</B> and what <B>he did for us at the cross</B> of Calvary.<BR/><BR/>There is a contemporary Christian song called "Who Am I" by Casting Crowns that speaks about Jesus in a way that is descriptive of the points that Mark and I are attempting to make here:<BR/><BR/>Not because of who I am - <BR/>But because of what You've done<BR/><BR/>Not because of what I've done -<BR/>But because of Who You are.<BR/><BR/>I am a flower quickly fading<BR/>Here today and gone tomorrow<BR/>A wave tossed in the ocean<BR/>A vapor in the wind<BR/><BR/>Still You hear me when I'm calling<BR/>Lord You catch me when I'm falling<BR/>And you told me who I am<BR/>I am Yours.<BR/><BR/>Here's a <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7x3VnrqbA&feature=related" REL="nofollow">link to a unique youtube video of this song.</A>Christinewjchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434229284833642438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-81584592315248040912007-12-14T07:50:00.000-08:002007-12-14T07:50:00.000-08:00Jody,Where did I state that Lot's offering his dau...Jody,<BR/><BR/>Where did I state that Lot's offering his daughters to the men was considered an "appropriate" response? It certainly wasn't an example of "the right course of action." I was just giving you Lot's flawed reasoning for doing so.<BR/><BR/>One of the reasons that I asked you how often you read here is because I have posted an analysis about the entire account several times in the past. I wondered if you ever read it.<BR/><BR/>The story of Lot is about far more than what you suggest as my "spinning." And, the fact that Lot was not perfect in righteousness, nor sinless (keep in mind that NO ONE was, or ever has been perfect and sinless <B>except Jesus Christ</B>), does not negate the fact that he had <I>some</I> kind of relationship with the Lord. But even the depth of Lot's relationship with God was questionable when we look at his terrible choice to offer up his daughters to the men, as well as the fact that he and his family practically had to be dragged out of the city. <BR/><BR/>Keep in mind, Jody, that <B>Lot and his family were spared due to Abraham's pleading for mercy for them.</B> Back in Genesis 18:20-33, we read that Abraham asked God to spare the city if 50 righteous people could be found. As the conversation continued, the amount of righteous people whom Abraham pleaded to be spared dwindled down to ten!! <BR/><BR/>Abraham knew that God is just and that he punishes sin, but he may have wondered about God's mercy. Abraham seemed to be probing God's mind to see how merciful he really was. He left his conversation with God convinced that God was both kind and fair.<BR/><BR/>God already knew that there were not even ten righteous people in the city, but he was merciful enough to allow Abraham to intercede. He was also merciful enough to help Lot, Abraham's nephew, get out of Sodom before it was destroyed. <BR/><BR/>What does this tell us about God's patience and His justice? We must remember God's patience when we are tempted to think he is unfair. <B>Even the most godly people deserve his justice.</B><BR/><BR/>The liberal Christianity sites that you probably visit are the ones who tend to spin this biblical account about Lot and Sodom. Their idea that Sodom was destroyed because of a lack of "hospitality" and the typical claims they espouse that only the intent of rape of the visitors by the men was sinful intent. The liberals wish to "wave their hands" and ignore the fact that the men intended to perform perverse and wicked homosexual acts on the angelic visitors. This is just their pride speaking and, quite frankly, just a sad and sorry attempt to negate the fact that according to God's Word, <B>He sees such acts as abomination.</B> Other Bible verses support this fact. Therefore, the liberal-gay-behavior-is-not-sin spin machine is guilty of reprobate theology. <BR/><BR/>God gave the people of Sodom the chance to repent. God is still waiting, today, giving people the opportunity to turn to him (see 2 Peter 3:9).<BR/><BR/>I think that it is good that you are so well read. But, have you read and studied the Bible yet? It is the ONLY place that we can get the wisdom and understanding about this life from God's perspective. God's answers to our questions may not always be in harmony with our expectations. Why? Because only He knows the whole story. However, He has given us enough information via His Word and the Person of Jesus Christ in order to fully, and completely, come to the right conclusion when Jesus asks us, "Who do you say that I am?"<BR/><BR/>I'm still praying for your salvation, Jody. It is my way of interceding for your sake; just as Abraham did for Lot and his family. Only God knows for sure which decision you will ultimately make before your life is over here on this earth. I pray that you don't remain in the current "Sodom" of this world. <BR/><BR/>I pray that one day, you will realize that God does exist and His unfathomable love for you was shown at the cross of Jesus Christ.Christinewjchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434229284833642438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-14450926120108947352007-12-14T06:43:00.000-08:002007-12-14T06:43:00.000-08:00If I may?@jody, refer to the book of Judges, chapt...If I may?<BR/><BR/>@jody, refer to the book of Judges, chapters 19-21. <BR/>Characters: The Israelites, the tribe of Benjamin and the Levite who cut his concubine into twelve pieces and sent them to each of the twelve tribes. The Levite's concubine had been brutally raped and ulimately left for dead by the wicked men in Gibeah.. This story clearly parallels (intertextuality device) the Genesis chapter 19 story of Sodom. The development of the characters remains basically flat. There are no fully developed individuals. The one basic quality in each is the fact all of them have willfully ignored God and did what they thought was right, not God. The narrative recounts the Levite's story about what happened in v. 4-7. It is clear the Levite is spinning the story away from his own responsibility and placing all the blame of this horrible act on the men of Gibeah. He after all offered up his concubine to save himself. In v.13 the sons of Benjamin would not listen to their brothers of Israel by not handing over the men responsible. In fact the Benjamites were heavily out numbered for battle, and yet they remained steadfast against turning over the men who committed this horrible act. It is clear the narrative is drawing a picture of how hard their hearts had become. This is made more clear in v 16 when the narrative describes the 700 'choice men' that would battle the sons of Israel.<BR/><BR/>Sin not only effects one person, but its effects have far reaching consequences. The tribe of Benjamin was part of Israel. They had a coventant relationship with God. Their hearts did not turn against God and become that hard overnight. It was gradual and no one spoke up or judged this turning away. If raping and killing the Levites concubine was nothing to them, we can only imagine how far their depravity and wickedness had sunk. In fact, they were willing to die before hand over the wicked men. If handing over your concubine to a gang rape, is an acceptable thing to do inorder to save yourself, the Levite too was in a condition of wickedness. By hacking her up and sending her parts to the twelve tribes of Israrel and then they say 'nothing like this as ever happened in Israel', they had clearly been living in the dark. The Levite, as he probably knew he would, got their attention all right, but at what cost?<BR/><BR/>In applying this to a Christian's life today, I would simply say look around. Our nation has rejected God and we celebrate sexual immorality, sin, and doing what is right in our own eye. We don't speak up in fear of being labeled. The consequences of living in rebellion to God are not just personal. The consequences have far reaching effects. When a Christian tolerates sin, they will become unaware of it eventually. We should constantly reevaluate our lives and where we are in terms of a right relationship with God. Do we look like the world, or do we look like God? Do we look and act those that may not have been the actual wicked men, but those who saw what they were doing and stayed inside their homes? I submit the folks in the city of Gibeah knew what those men were doing, and had been for sometime. It should not take a a hacked up body to get us to v. 30 "Consider it, take counsel and speak up!"Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281126424462398813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-66928861155838971472007-12-13T23:29:00.000-08:002007-12-13T23:29:00.000-08:00Christine, your blog is one of many, many, that I ...Christine, your blog is one of many, many, that I have on an RSS reader, from Left to Right, Christian to Atheist to Muslim, Fascist to Socialist. While I don't read every entry on every blog every day, I do read enough to encounter a variety of views and, I think, have a better formed opinion as a result. <BR/><BR/>In any event..<BR/><BR/>You are spinning the Lot story, introducing ideas and suppositions that aren't there in the tale. You are reading in details and waving away problems with the text that you don't care for -- much like the liberal Christians you all but refer to as Heretics.<BR/><BR/>Lot is presented in Leviticus as the last righteous man in Sodom. You are presenting Lot as a story of righteousness, using a tale in which the offering up two young women to an angry crowd for rape is considered an appropriate response not only as an example of a right action but also as "proof" that homosexuality is evil. <BR/><BR/>As a woman, as a woman with a daughter akin in age to those in the tale, that you can believe such a thing is a right course of action or can waive it away as a "mystery," is truly frightening to me, Christine.Jodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13386846148163544107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-24734729870345522572007-12-13T14:28:00.000-08:002007-12-13T14:28:00.000-08:00Hi Jody,That's a good question. I have heard it a...Hi Jody,<BR/><BR/>That's a good question. I have heard it asked several times before.<BR/><BR/>I will attempt to answer your question if you will answer mine?<BR/><BR/>How often do you read here at this blog?<BR/><BR/>Just curious.<BR/><BR/>On to your question regarding Lot offering his daughters to the men.<BR/><BR/>Several biblical scholars have offered up various reasons why Lot did this. None of them gave him a "pass" for suggesting it, either.<BR/> <BR/>Replacing one evil act with another is wrong, too.<BR/><BR/>Some scholars surmised that Lot may have been scheming to save both the girls and the visitors, hoping the girls' fiance's would rescue them or that the homosexual men would be disinterested in the girls and simply go away.<BR/><BR/>In a Bible study a did a while back, I learned that the custom of that day was to protect guests at any cost. Notice in Genesis 19:2, Lot immediately asked them to come into his house. At first, the men (angels) told him that they would spend the night in the square, but Lot insisted so strongly that they did go to his house. With the sexual sin that was rampant there, Lot must have known what might happen to them if they were left unprotected out in the public square at night.<BR/><BR/>Another custom of those days, unfortunately, was that the dignity of women was not valued as highly as that of men. So, perhaps Lot thought that protecting the men (angels) from suffering was more important than what might possibly happen to his daughters. <BR/><BR/>Of course, this terrible suggestion by Lot reveals how deeply sin had been absorbed into his life. He had become hardened to evil acts in an evil city.<BR/><BR/>Whatever Lot's motives were, this incident is an example of Sodom's awful wickedness and how it was rampant in the city. The wickedness that was occuring there was so great that God had to destroy the entire city.Christinewjchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434229284833642438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-72760880676707977562007-12-13T10:13:00.000-08:002007-12-13T10:13:00.000-08:00Christine, I'm curious. In your quoting of the Lot...Christine, I'm curious. In your quoting of the Lot story, I notice you skipped the part where Lot offers to let the crowd rape his daughter in lieu of the angels. <BR/><BR/>Why was that?Jodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13386846148163544107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-56393892369053433712007-12-12T14:21:00.000-08:002007-12-12T14:21:00.000-08:00Ok, so that was long, but WOW! I wish I could say...Ok, so that was long, but WOW! I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I can see that it is all happening. There are times when I find this stuff to be tiresome. Not in arena's like this blog, since you handle this stuff marvelously, but whenever I see stuff on the news, it's hard to get upset, we see so much of it, I tend to sigh and shake my head, I mean, it's disgusting, but they really do wear you down.<BR/><BR/>This is differant though, this time they're not just wearing us down, now they are very actively and aggresively trying to indoctrinate our kids. Thank God that right now my kids are able attend a Christian School, and, at this point Florida has no such law, but if it stands in California, more states will follow, if not the Federal Government. <BR/><BR/>What a mess all of this stuff is. And, as I said before, I've got some personal experience in dealing with a gay person, and in my case, it is someone who has considerably more than a passing familiarity with the Scriptures, of course, in his case, he just ignores the parts he doesn't like. <BR/><BR/>One argument my brother used on me, any I'm sure it's really nothing new is, "Don't I have the right to be happy too?" I used to be somewhat taken aback by this, but then it hit me, if that's what it takes to make you happy, no you don't. Philipians 4:10-13 states: "But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at the last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein ye were also careful, but ye lacked opportunity. Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, [therewith] to be content. I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." That is to say that we are to be content in our lives in Christ, putting away our sinful desires, and to be filled with the joy of the Lord. So yes, he does have the right to be happy in Jesus, but not in a homosexual relationship. Not the answer he wants to hear I'm sure, I could tell you for sure, but he's not talking to me right now. Long story.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work,<BR/>God Bless,<BR/>Matt W.Matt W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10119224167961803495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-29961397286170290542007-12-12T09:04:00.000-08:002007-12-12T09:04:00.000-08:00Here is a comment at the Amazon "After the Ball" w...Here is a comment at the Amazon "After the Ball" website:<BR/><BR/><B>By A Customer<BR/><BR/>As a summary of methods to manipulate and control opinion, this book is an example of how to achieve a goal (public opinion modification), without recourse to fact, reason, or fair play. A propagandists dream, it is best summed up in two of its own quotes "Thus propagandistic advertising can depict all opponents of the gay movement as homophobic bigots who are 'not Christian' and the propoganda can further show them as being criticized, hated and shunned}".... "Our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic or proof.... the person's beliefs can be altered whether he is conscious of the attack or not" (p. 152-153) Answers questions as to how a group of less then 2% of the population, can attain political and media clout completely out of proportion to their size or condition.</B><BR/><BR/>It only got one "star." <I>The truth hurts...doesn't it!</I><BR/><BR/>How sad the "legacy" of homosexual behavior has become for one of the authors:<BR/><BR/><B> Marshall Kirk, August 10, 2006 <BR/>By Kevin M. Kirk (Albany, OR USA) - See all my reviews<BR/> <BR/><BR/>I would like to say thank you to everyone who purchased and got something out of "After the Ball." Marshall Kirk was my uncle. I say "was" because he passed away a year ago. I'm glad his legacy will live on in this book and all of the genealogy research he'd done over the years.</B>Christinewjchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434229284833642438noreply@blogger.com