tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post698308505152570105..comments2024-03-24T23:41:23.944-07:00Comments on Talk Wisdom: A Christian Convo re: Swimsuits & Miss CA [Video added]Christinewjchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18434229284833642438noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-82800691767062839122009-04-27T09:15:00.000-07:002009-04-27T09:15:00.000-07:00Peter wrote:
"We have not demanded consistent Chr...Peter wrote:<br /><br /><I>"We have not demanded consistent Christian morality from the political leaders who receive our support."</I>Excellent point! AND SO TRUE! That is exactly why our nation is holding the TEA parties and railing against the terrible government policies being forced upon us by people who are supposed to be representing WE THE PEOPLE!! They obviously are not doing that!!! They are taking their own power and recklessly using it to pass bills that will destroy our nation and the futures of our children and grandchildren! The calls, emails, and letters to Congress were running 1,000 to 1 AGAINST THE STIMULUS BILLS and they passed them anyway! <br /><br />This is not representative government, people. It is a socialistic/Marxist/Communist/totalitarian/ turning into a dictatorship regime government!Christinewjchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434229284833642438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-17715672833835248992009-04-25T18:41:00.000-07:002009-04-25T18:41:00.000-07:00They do wear speedos Christine but the LZR Racer i...They do wear speedos Christine but the LZR Racer is a "Fastskin" (Registered Trademark) or whole body suit like the one I've seen Michael Phelps wear but I'm not sure what brand he wears. <br /><br />While it is a double standard, I do think there are warnings to men in Proverbs about women. And though Peter was naked (John 21:7), the warnings come to women about modest apparel (1 Timothy 2:9) though we could be warned about offending the conscience of a weaker brother or sister (1 Cor. 8:10) though there were warnings about nakedness in the Old Testament. I'm not really certain what to do about it beyond that except that the Bible speaks against lust, pornia and lasciviosness and uncleanness (sexual) (Galatians 5:9) and wantonness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-27158821168628326452009-04-25T09:55:00.000-07:002009-04-25T09:55:00.000-07:00Added to front page:
Update:
Received an email fr...Added to front page:<br /><br />Update:<br />Received an email from The Rock Church. You can watch the 36 minute segment with Carrie Prejean online!<br /><br /><A HREF="http://www.therocksandiego.org/stories/misscalifornia/" REL="nofollow">The Rock San Diego: Miss California</A><A HREF="http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhpbvmpd_5dxx66f5g" REL="nofollow">LIVE STREAMING OF MISS CALIFORNIA CARRIE PREJEAN AT THE ROCK - Watch 36 minute conversation live online</A><B>[NOTE: Only the 10:00 a.m. (PT) and 12:00 p.m. (PT) services will be available via live stream.]</B>Excerpt:<br /><br />SAN DIEGO (April 24, 2009)—On-line viewers will be able to watch a live 36 minute conversation between Carrie Prejean, Miss California and Miss USA’s first runner up, and Miles McPherson, Senior Pastor of the Rock Church.<br /><br />Prejean will appear at the Rock Church during all five services on Sunday April 26th. Prejean is a member of the Rock family and actively serves in church outreach ministries. The 10:00am and 12:00pm (pst) services will be streamed live, viewable at <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/www.therocksandiego.org" REL="nofollow">The Rock San Diego.org</A>.<br /><br />The Rock’s Senior Pastor Miles McPherson, spent time with Prejean in the critical hours following the pageant. They will share the story behind the controversy that we haven’t heard.<br /><br />During the question and answer portion of Sunday’s Miss USA pageant, Prejean expressed her belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman, touching off a firestorm of widely publicized criticism from pageant judge and nationally known celebrity blogger Perez Hilton. In subsequent appearances, Prejean has stood fast in her morals and Biblical truths, refusing to compromise her faith.Christinewjchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434229284833642438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-49736972997915842412009-04-25T08:55:00.000-07:002009-04-25T08:55:00.000-07:00Related article:
Randy Thomasson blog: Miley vs. ...Related article:<br /><br /><A HREF="http://savecalifornia.com/index.php/blog/Miley-Cyrus-disagrees-with-Jesus-Christ-on-marriage.html" REL="nofollow">Randy Thomasson blog: Miley vs. Jesus on marriage</A>Christinewjchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434229284833642438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-11579584481835668282009-04-25T08:30:00.000-07:002009-04-25T08:30:00.000-07:00FYI - CNN interview of Carrie Prejean added to fro...FYI - CNN interview of Carrie Prejean added to front page.Christinewjchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434229284833642438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-81672230190528763762009-04-25T07:11:00.000-07:002009-04-25T07:11:00.000-07:00We have guests this weekend so my time is limited ...We have guests this weekend so my time is limited on the blog.<br /><br />Thanks to all who have commented. I will continue to release additional comments over the weekend.<br /><br />A thought came to my mind today.<br /><br />In swimming competitions, men often wear those awful speedo swimsuits. They are very clingy...if you know what I mean.<br /><br />Two questions.<br /><br />Why is that not considered immodest? <br /><br />Why would a Christian man not be considered a strong witness for Christ (if he is a believer) despite wearing such an article of clothing for a swimming competition?Christinewjchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434229284833642438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-27586808194477357492009-04-25T05:50:00.000-07:002009-04-25T05:50:00.000-07:00I think this is a prime example of what christians...I think this is a prime example of what christians do....pick and choose the bible verses they wish to follow, and ignore or rationalize away the ones they disagree with. Yeah, she's a great christian witness alright!Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-50464724723214492412009-04-25T04:29:00.000-07:002009-04-25T04:29:00.000-07:00My stepsister didn't believe she had the freedom t...My stepsister didn't believe she had the freedom to wear a two piece bathing suit and she always wore a one piece.<br /><br />I think people should have the freedom to go where they want to but they should also show some responsibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-47323059550999486512009-04-24T20:40:00.000-07:002009-04-24T20:40:00.000-07:00It is nice to hear some attempt at demonstrating c...It is nice to hear some attempt at demonstrating consistency in Christian witness.<br /><br />The attitude that "a little compromise in this area is fine so long as we can make a point in this area" has done more than anything to destroy Christian authority in this country.<br /><br />We have not demanded consistent Christian morality from the political leaders who receive our support.PeterWimseyhttp://peterwimsey.gather.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-55063284193048124342009-04-24T19:42:00.000-07:002009-04-24T19:42:00.000-07:00Christine, the discussions over on Camps blog are ...Christine, the discussions over on Camps blog are hot for sure! But everyone is making valid points. The one thing that we should agree as Christians is the inappropriateness of beauty pageants where immodesty is praised and showcased. But are the criticisms of Carrie Prejean timely?<br /><br />Here's my comment from Camp's blog regarding that very question:<br /><br />-----------------<br /><br />Christine's blog shot me over to this discussion and it's a great one!<br /><br />A little intro of myself here: mom of two twenty-something daughters and attire used to dominate our talks when they were in high school.<br /><br />But my daughters know I hate beauty pageants primarily because of the "skin" factor. As been mentioned throughout this post is that we women should always adorn ourselves modestly. But with beauty pageants, modesty is not considered a "winning" trait as beauty is always associated with the physique and not the spirit.<br /><br />I refused to watch the pageant, but with my youngest daughter wanting to me watch so that we both can talk about it, I made a deal with her to watch only when the ladies got up to answer their questions. That way I didn't have to sit and cringe through all the parading. So at first, amusement at THE question, then you can imagine our delight in Carrie's answer she gave Perez Hilton! We were both shouting to Jesus with joy!<br /><br />Right now is the time that Carrie needs our encouragement because of the beatdown she's getting from the world. The "attire" talk needs to be done with Carrie but who knows, I have the feeling it won't even be necessary because some of the criticism she's already getting from the world (and some of us fellow believers) about her being involved with this pageant while taking a stand against "other ills." There are contradictions that have to be addressed and as a role model, I hope she would never encourage young girls to involve themselves with "showing skin" so that they can win a scholarship and other worldy benefits.<br /><br />As an older woman who's commanded scripturally to teach the younger women, I'd personally love to talk to Carrie about her the whole beauty pageant thing ... but as Ecclesiastes tells us (3:1 I think), there is a right time for everything -- and NOW is not the time to criticize her about what she was wearing.<br /><br />She needs our encouragement and praise for what she did - stand up against the world to side with Christ!<br /><br />Just my 200 cents! :) - CarlottaChristocentrichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11121419889258214564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12391603.post-24822623266665545132009-04-24T15:13:00.000-07:002009-04-24T15:13:00.000-07:00Christine,
I have to say, I fully, 100% agree with...Christine,<br />I have to say, I fully, 100% agree with everything Byron Harvey said. In fact, it's pretty much what I have been thinking for the past few days. Certainly it's not that her answer is invalid, but as I told a coworker just the other night, I have to stop short of saying that she is a great Christian witness because of that bikini. I'm not slamming the young lady, and I was very impressed with her answer, and how she has handled herself since then, but Byron makes an excellent point.<br /><br />Christian modesty is important, and I'm not saying that we all must be overzealously prudish, or that we should start telling all Christian women to wear burka's and cover them selves from head to toe, but modesty is critical. We live in a hypersexualized culture, and frankly, Christians don't need to contribute to it, and if that means that they won't be able to take part in this type of thing, then so be it.<br /><br />As to lust being in the eye of the beholder, there are two sides to that particular coin, and there is a balance to be struck. Some men will lust after women (or whatever) no matter how modestly they dress, but a man would have to be dead, or near to it, not to have some uncomfortable feelings upon seeing this young lady (who you're calling a great Christian witness) nearly naked, and let's face it, that's not an overstatement, I see less of my wife when she gets out of the shower! <br /><br />I'm willing to entertain the idea that it was just a poor choice, or bad judgment, or a mistake, or whatever, but it was immodest, and it was inappropriate.Matt W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10119224167961803495noreply@blogger.com