However, when it comes to the current Resident Obama (HT: Road Sassy for that term!) "natural born citizen" controversy, it appears that many are going in different (and some, actually heading in unfortunate) directions. Whereas, if they could agree to pool their resources, ideas, and HAD AN OPEN CONVERSATION with each other on the BEST METHOD and approach to get the job done, IMHO, there might be a chance that the correct lawsuit would arise from the seemingly chaotic mess that appears to be going forward these days.
I might be very wrong about this. I admit it.
I might have no idea what they are all up against. I admit it.
I might be asking for a "pie in the sky" resolution to it all. I admit that.
However, when it comes down to danger and possible severe repercussions against any active military plaintiff in the Obama citizenship issue, that has to be where a line is drawn.
The best way to follow what I am referring to here is to read the following comment (that I originally posted at The Right Side of Life blog), click and read the two posts included in the comment, and then return to read Phil's response and the rest of this post below.
Christinewjc says:
February 25, 2009 at 11:37 pm
After reading at Leo Donofrio’s “Natural Born Citizen” blog, I am highly concerned for the military people who are signing up as plaintiffs against Obama. There are some VERY strong “powers that be” behind Obama, and since the SCOTUS has dismissed most cases presented about the birth certificate issue because of “lack of standing,” I fear that they will just come up with another excuse not to give this issue a hearing - despite the perceived standing that military personnel have (or should have!).
Donofrio has two blog posts up about his fear that these military plaintiffs might end up in trouble.
1. First post
2. Second post
Phil, may I ask what your opinion is regarding Donofrio’s concern for the military plaintiffs?
In the comment section, Donofrio wrote:“[Ed. The publicity is focused on the BC. For example, many of the media people who have commented, like Steve Malzberg yesterday, have told their audiences that all of this would go away if Obama would just show the BC. The issue won't go away since there is NO DOCUMENT CAPABLE OF PROVING OBAMA IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. No document can change his birth status having been governed by the British nationality Act of 1948.]“
My question. Could Dr. Orly Taitz be going about this in the wrong way?
Next, Donofrio also wrote:“[Ed. or perhaps by creating a false issue which he holds the final word over (by eventually showing a genuine BC from Hawaii), he placed a cloud of cover over the issue which he cannot control... that his birth was Governed by the British nationality act of 1948. It's classic game theory. He who controls both sides of the game, controls the game. As to the BC, OBama controls the game, so that's the game he wants to play.
By playing the BC game, he distracts all from the game he does not control... he does not control the fact that his father was NEVER a US citizen.]“
Is there a way to word the lawsuit in order to challenge what Obama can’t control…namely…”he does not control the fact that his father was NEVER a U.S. citizen?”
Lastly, I wrote the following over at Donofrio’s blog, but it was ignored:
I see that you didn’t like the suggestion to either write or talk with Dr. Orly Taitz in order to warn her of what you wrote here:“The issue won’t go away since there is NO DOCUMENT CAPABLE OF PROVING OBAMA IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. No document can change his birth status having been governed by the British nationality Act of 1948.”
That is what I was going to suggest - discussing that important issue with her.
What about a lawsuit that requires the release of all of the following hidden (and/or forged) documents?
Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints — none!
There is no Obama documentation — no records — no paper trail — none — this can’t be an accident.
Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certificate of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport (Pakistan) — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
Is it possible that he attended college here as a foreign exchange student?
Wouldn’t that prove that he is not a natural born citizen?
If that’s a stupid question, then here’s several more.
It has been rumored that maybe Obama ’s real father was Malcolm X (Little) or Frank Marshall Davis. Even so, if he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and taken to Indonesia (which doesn’t allow dual citizenship to attend school there) - wouldn’t Barry Soetoro have lost his U.S. Citizenship? What angle could be played in such a scenario? Did he “naturalize” back as a U.S. Citizen? Would he then be eligible for POTUS or not?
OK…finished with the dumb questions…for now.
Ultimately, there has GOT TO BE a way to get the truth out and a case heard in court! Someone just needs to present the argument in the correct way where Obama does not have “control” over the situation and where the court MUST ACKNOWLEDGE the proof of his INELIGIBILITY!
As Mr. Donofrio pointed out at his blog, perhaps the way to do this is to utilize the fact that Obama’s father was under the jurisdiction governed by the British nationality Act of 1948 - and so was Obama Jr.’s “birth status” in 1961 - no matter where he was born!
Thanks, in advance, for any input you are willing to share in response. My questions were completely ignored by Donofrio.
Phil at The Right Side of Life was gracious enough to respond:
Phil says:
February 26, 2009 at 9:52 am
Christinewjc,
I think that Mr. Donofrio makes some good points, especially from a “court of public opinion” perspective. I think anyone who has been watching Dr. Taitz operate over the last few months knows that, despite her good intentions and willingness to go all out on the eligibility issue, she tends to shoot first and ask questions later. That cannot be helpful in situations like this.
Nevertheless, I think Mr. Donofrio is similarly correct when he mentions that none of the prerequisite opinions will matter if and when such a case is heard in Court, be it military or civilian. Rather, he is addressing the theory that some publicly-known verbiage may not make these soldiers’ lives any easier, going forward.
-Phil
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"Is it possible that he attended college here as a foreign exchange student? Wouldn’t that prove that he is not a natural born citizen?"
ReplyDeleteAnswer: NO.
If he had attended college as a foreign exchange student, that would simply show that he college thought that he was foreign, not that he really was. Moreover, it might not even show that. It merely might show that they have such freedom over how to give out their scholarships that they can give foreign scholarships even to US citizens who have had a certain amount of foreign background.
IF you are thinking that Obama had become an Indonesian citizen, it simply is not true. All you have to do is call up the Indonesian embassy in Washington and ask. Tel: (202) 775 - 5200.
The Hawaii State Certificate of Birth has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.
ReplyDeleteThe document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.
- http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html