Wednesday, June 21, 2006

Analysis (Part 2)

ROBINSON: It's time for us to stop talking about being gay and start talking about God and telling the story of how God has acted in your life and in mine. And when we tell that story, people will come to see that the Jesus they know is the Jesus we know.

Analysis: Oh yes! Divert the attention away from the obvious controversy over elevating a person who thinks homosexual behavior is not sin (when the Bible CLEARLY says so), is unrepentant about such a sin, and is currently involved in homosexual sex with another male! This is the typical "gay mantra" device of homosexual activists. Steer people away from the unhealthy, abberant sex act and concentrate on only the 'good'. Well, that might work in secular humanism circles but it doesn't work at all for Bible-believing, born-again, Christ centered followers of Jesus Christ and His Word.

Sorry Gene. The "Jesus you know" is not the authentic Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, as He is revealed in the Scriptures. You are guilty of heresy and apostasy, exactly what is warned about in the book of Jude. More about this after I post Hudson's gobbledy-gook.

KING: Reverend Jo Hudson, you've heard our two distinguished members of the Episcopal faith. You're with the United Church of Christ.


KING: Where does that denomination stand?

HUDSON: Well, the denomination is radically different than the Episcopal Church in that the denomination lets congregations be self- determining and so they are in relationship by virtue of the fact that they covenant to be in relationship and to honor each other even though we may disagree.

Analysis: HUH?? The only thing that she is right about is when she says, "the denomination is radically different." Ya got that right! A "congregation that is self-determining?" Self-determining for what? For whom? Certainly not "determining" by the timeless, faithful, inerrant, infallible Word of God as revealed in the Scriptures! My next analysis portion will be long, but it will be necessary in order to reveal just how far this "reverend" is from God's Word. First, I will post the rest of her portion of this dialogue with King.

KING: So United Church of Christ in Miami could say no gays?

HUDSON: Right.

KING: And the one in Dallas as yours, could say yes?

HUDSON: Absolutely. And the thinking behind that is where the spirit of God is, where the risen Christ is. Then the people of God can determine what is best and listen for how God would have them be in the world.

KING: Are you a lesbian?


KING: What brought you to the church?

HUDSON: I fell in love with God.

KING: Didn't some of the teachings pretty much harm you, hurt you?

HUDSON: I never really...

KING: That it's a sin?

HUDSON: I never was -- well, they say that, you know, they say that women shouldn't preach in church, too. I have had to wrestle with the scriptures but the reality is is that I have found a relationship with God that I discovered in the church and want to be a part of a community of faith that brings that love to other people.

Analysis: Some of my regular readers may have already seen what I will copy and paste below, but I need to post it again to counter Hudson's opinion that sexually active practicing lesbian women is not sinful and that non-celibate "gay" clergy is OK. [Just a side note: substitute any other willful, non-repentant sinful behavior (e.g. adultery, fornication, polygamy, a thief, a murderer) and apply it to any clergyman. Would a true Christian church board or laity approve of such a person to lead their flock? Of course not!] First, notice that she slyly half-answered King's question. When he directly asked her if it bothered her, "that it's a sin" (meaning, obviously, lesbian sexual activity), all she said was, "well, they say that, you know..." then, she goes on to a completely different topic about "they say women shouldn't preach in church." Ignoring the precise subject involved in this controversy doesn't make it just go away, Ms. Hudson!

Many people similar to Ms. Hudson often say the "Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality." The following post will show how incorrect that premise really is.

Mission America statement:

Talking points from Mission America:

Consider these facts:

Jesus also never said anything about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are those things okay, too?

There are many teachings and deeds of Christ that are not included in the Gospel accounts, as John writes in John 21:25.

Christ did say that God created people “in the beginning” as male and female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined together as “one flesh.” (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9 ) Nothing is said about any other type of union.

When He discussed sexual morality, Christ had a very high standard, clearly affirming long-standing Jewish law. He told the woman caught in adultery to “Go and sin no more.” (John 8:11) He warned people not only that the act of adultery was wrong, but even adulterous thoughts. (Matthew 5:28 ) And he shamed the woman at the well (John 4:18 ) by pointing out to her that he knew she was living with a man who was not her husband.

Christ used the destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah as an example of God’s wrath ( Matthew 10:15, Mark 6:11,Luke 10:12, and Luke 17:29). Throughout the Old Testament, prophets clearly described these cities as being notorious for the practice of homosexuality. (Genesis 18:20, Genesis 19:4-5, Isaiah 3:9, Jeremiah 23:14, Ezekiel 16:46-59). Jesus certainly knew that this was how the comparison would be understood.

Christ was God incarnate (in the flesh) here on earth. He was the long-expected Messiah, which was revealed in Matthew 16:13- 20, Matthew 17:5-9, Mark 8:27-30, Luke 4:16-30, Luke 9: 18-21,John 4:25-26, John 8:57-59 and elsewhere. As one with God, He was present from the beginning (John 1: 1-13; Colossians 1:15-17; Ephesians 3:9 and elsewhere). So, Jesus was part of the Godhead as the laws were handed down through Moses to Israel and eventually to the whole world. This Old Testament law clearly prohibited homosexuality (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13; Deuteronomy 23:18 and elsewhere). The apostles understood this also, as shown by Paul’s writing in Romans 1:24-27, Peter’s in 2 Peter 2:4-22, and John’s in Revelation 22:15.

So--the apostles, who were taught by Christ, clearly understood that homosexuality was a sin as it has always been. When people say, “Jesus said nothing about homosexuality,” they reveal that they really haven’t understood Scripture, or Who Christ is. Maybe some of these points can help them toward a clearer understanding.

On another message board where this was posted, there were two well-said comments:

Post ID: 709 Posted by: pool6x, 2005-09-17 02:13:00

This was an excellent reply based upon the truth of the Bible. Christ is God, the Holy Spirit (God also) inspired the Bible's writing, So when God declared homosexuality an abomination in the Old Testament, it was in fact Christ (God) who was the one declaring that. So, Christ did say a lot about homosexuality...everytime God says it in the Bible, Christ (part of the Godhead) is dittoing it.

Post ID: 716 Posted by: nitsuard, 2005-09-19 01:44:26

Excellent indeed! But I had a bad link to the original article and hope to read it b4 continuing my comments except to say that John 1 explains that Christ was GOD in the flesh and was the Creator who made everything, including every word written by man to be included in the Bible.

All of this information CLEARLY NEGATES what the homosexual behavior affirming "churches" claim. This is a perfect example of what the book of Jude predicts and warns will happen as we get closer and closer to the end times.

Note, especially, the following from Jude:

Old and New Apostates
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries.

Sodom and Gomorrah are mentioned as an example for judgment! Specifically, "going after strange flesh" is "set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Defiling the flesh and rejecting authority (especially of the Bible and Orthodox Christianity) is mentioned as a cause for the coming judgment. People, this is serious stuff!! This is not to be taken lightly! Notice, also, that those who "defile the flesh and reject authority are also guilty of "speaking evil of dignitarties." Isn't this exactly what is happening in the homosexual behavior affirming churches? They particularly bash Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, any and all ex-gay ministry as "evil"...claiming that they are "homophobic," "bigoted," "hateful," "anti-gay," and the list goes on!

Want to know what is genuinely anti-gay my friends? It's when people commit heresy and apostasy within a Christian denomination telling it's followers that they need not repent of a particular sin (in this case, homosexual behavior)! They are leading them (or, in some cases leaving them) directly into the grip of Satan's fallen world of deception!

Matthew 16:23 - But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Harsh words spoken to Peter by Jesus when he was guilty of "savouresting not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." This is what the homosexual agenda movement is doing within the churches!

We are to be salt and light in this world! Not agree with the offence of Satan and follow things of men right into Satan's lair!

Acts 26:18 - To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

This was Jesus, appearing to Paul and speaking to him! Note these prior verses (NKJV):

Acts 26:15 - And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

Act 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

Act 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
Acts 26:18 - To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

*more to come*


Russ Rentler, M.D. said...

This issue of the anglican communion splitting is yet another excellent proof in real life of why the church needs to be One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. Without any final authority over issues of faith and morals and how to interpret the Bible, history will repeat itself again and again as the churches have been doing since 1517. It's Deja Vu all Over again

Christinewjc said...

God's Living Word, Jesus Christ, and His written Word, the Bible, are the final authority over issues of faith and morals. Scripture interprets Scripture. The Holy Spirit's leading helps individual believers through exegesis...the original intent and meaning of the text. Hermenuetics prevents the continuing attempts of heretics (e.g. current "progressive" types) from skewing interpretation and/or ignoring certain portions of the Bible. One example of this is what we are discussing here: the problem that is currently happening in the Episcopal church over the issue of allowing non-celibate homosexual clergy. These efforts are all an attempt to turn away from, and thus 'trump' the original meaning of the Scriptures as conveyed through the writers.

The work of the Holy Spirit guided the writers in that day and now guides us into understanding. All of these "safeguards," if you will, help us toward the ideal of one, holy, catholic (meaning universal Christian...not just "Roman Catholic") and apostolic faith.

In keeping with my desire to share what Catholic Christians and Evangelical Christians have in common, I would like to say that there are certain prayers that the Catholic church taught me that I still remember and wholeheartedly agree with! One excellent one (IMO) was the Act of Contrition. It's been a while, so if I miss a word or two please correct me.

"Oh my God, I am heartly sorry for having offended thee. And I detest all my sins because of thy just punishments. But most of all, because they offend thee, my God, who art Holy and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve with the help of thy grace to sin no more and to avoid the near occasions of sin."

Now. Compare that to an evangelical prayer of confession. (This is just one, brief example).

"Lord Jesus, I want to know You personally. Thank You for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive me. I open the door of my life and ask you to come in as my Savior and Lord. Thank You for forgiving me of my sins and giving me eternal life. Take control of the throne of my life. Make me the kind of person You want me to be. Amen."

Different words, but can you see some similarity in content and purpose?

I have attended many Bible studies where Christians from many different denominations come together and find that their inductive study of the Scriptures bring them into agreement on many issues, including faith and morals. However, the most important aspect of the Bible is always agreed upon: that being the gospel of "teaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified."