The following is a copy of a post found over at Investigating Obama blog. Permission has been granted to re-post. Let us all hope and pray that FINALLY the TRUTH - whatever that may be - about Obama comes out!
Christine
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Wednesday, December 31, 2008
Obama's Kenyan Birth Evidence to be Revealed Today, Online
Update: [I.O., 12/31, 2:30pm CT: Ed Hale has sent an email stating that his delivery has been delayed until Friday, 1/2. We wait another day for what he has to show. We can be patient in light of how long we wait for Barack Obama to admit the truth of his ineligibility per Article II (and show us the whole truth of his actual Hawaiian birth certificate, besides).]
Permission to copy and post this article's text is granted, I.O., AW.
A private investigator in Hawaii has uncovered the divorce decree for Barack Obama's father and mother, which indicates they had "one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya." That is the report of Ed Hale of PlainsRadio.com, an Internet radio site which has focused upon the natural born Citizen challenges to Obama's presidential eligibility.Hale announced this during his evening Internet broadcast on PlainsRadio.com, Tuesday, 12/30 and confirmed it with I.O. in an online interview, later that night. He reported that certified copies of this documentation have been sent from Hawaii by the investigator to himself and four others. Hale is to receive his copy today, Wednesday, 12/31 and plans to post it graphically on the site, during the day. He will also discuss this on a special Internet broadcast, between 6pm and 10pm Central Time, tonight. The site streams audio as soon as it is accessed via Web browser.
Link to PlainsRadio and their message forum
Link to PlainsRadio and chat window
The Texan Internet entrepreneur relates he got fed up with the lack of documentation on Obama and decided to discuss ideas with his radio audience. His offer to hire an investigator was met with piecemeal sums of money from listeners to his broadcasts. Hale said some of the information one would expect to find was not available. For example, documentation from Obama's mother, Stanley Ann's divorce to her second husband, Lolo Soetoro had vanished. Hale speculates, the reason this forthcoming 1964 divorce decree had not also been "scrubbed" could be that the divorce had been filed not by Obama's mother, but by Barack H. Obama, Sr. Thus, it may have been overlooked by any plumbers for Obama.
Hale does admit to incomplete certainty of his investigator's work until he receives it, partially due to the PI's accent, the telephone connection, and his slight hearing impediment. However, he is very confident of what he will receive during the day. Mark S. McGrew, who writes about Obama's natural born Citizen problems for Pravda.ru, accompanied Hale in his broadcast and also expressed confidence. McGrew had sought publication in numerous American news outlets, but they turned down his articles referring to Obama's apparent ineligibility. Russia's Pravda however, decided his effort to find and report the truth was not to be redlined.
As often related, Barack Obama, due simply to his U.K. citizenship at birth via his Kenyan father, is not a natural born Citizen of America, by definition and the original intent of that term. The Supreme Court has turned down cases which make this point, but according to a September decision in a lower federal court (regarding John McCain's eligibility problem) this would be due to a question of jurisdiction, until Congress is to certify the Electoral College vote on January 8. Further action is to occur, after this date. You may read about this in previous I.O. articles and the sites linked in its sidebar.
Meanwhile, on the question of Obama's place of birth, professionals dealing with documents and forensic evidence have testified that the online "certificate of live birth" provided by Obama is not identifiable evidence of American birth. Now, if Obama's parents' divorce decree states that he was born in Kenya (as his Kenyan grandmother has repeatedly stated) the second epistemological wheel is coming off his vehicle to the White House.Will Congress pay attention and do its Constitutional duty?
h/t: LucyT
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HT: Investigating Obama
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Update:
Related articles to this issue:
OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
Eligibility case finds 'standing'?
New suit claims unique state law enables citizens to demand proof
OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
Berg files new challenge to eligibility
'There is nothing more important than our U.S. Constitution'
OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
Message to Congress: Protect Constitution
Effort seeks volunteers to challenge eligibility
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FYI - I looked over the chat area and found this:
Re: URGENT: PLEASE BROADCAST THIS EVERYWHERE
Ed just said that it was sent out 2nd. class and wont be in until friday
Anyway, it would be a nice start to the New Year. Zach
Thanks Zach -
I have been reading over at the Plains Message boards. Apparently, there will be a release of the Soetoro/Dunham divorce papers:
Per Ed Hale from Plains Radio:
"Plains Radio (www.plainsradio.com) has now been told that they will receive a certified copy of the Obama and Dunham divorce decree, dated 1964. This document will be released on the Plains radio network tomorrow night at 6 pm central, 12/31/08”
A New Years Gift!
Ed wants to make sure we have a full audience tomorrow night!
Plus, someone wrote that it is being sent by Fed Ex and wrote that it will arrive (as you wrote) on Friday:
FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY....
That is the update.
Ed has given Jules and me the Fed Ex tracking #. Pls contact us for further questions.... But for now...
Friday Night! (Dang... Patience IS NOT my middle name for a reason!!!)
Please update your posts.
Thanks and
God Bless!
Chalice
But then, an update states that it will arrive "tomorrow" [comment written yesterday so that means today - Dec. 31st]
Carole... We are praying!!!
The GREAT news is.....
And I am sorry if I am not 100% straight about the details of who all is involved...
BUT....Bluebonnet, Hanen and Kris have been working to get the package delivered tomorrow and apparently they were successful... So as of now... We are expecting a delivery tomorrow...
Still dancing....
Thanks ALL...
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then this comment:
I don't know about the contents, but I do know that on the tracking it says fedex 2 day envelope. Not 2nd class mail.
Hope this at least clarifies your question about 2nd class
We will just have to wait and see.
Challenge, can anyone prove this wrong?:–
1. Constitution Article II requires USA President to be “natural born citizen”.
2. BHO’s website admits his dad was Kenyan/British, not American, citizen when BHO was born.
3. BHO is therefore not a “natural born citizen” (irrespective of Hawaiian birth or whether he may be a 14th Amendment “citizen” of USA) — as confirmed in the Senate’s own McCain qualification resolution agreed to by BHO.
4. Supreme Court has already docketed two upcoming conferences, 1/9/09 and 1/16/09 — between dates Congress counts electoral votes (1/8/09) and Presidential inauguration (1/20/09) — to address Berg Case and fashion relief on BHO’s eligibility to be President.
5. Since no facts are in dispute, Supreme Court rules on Summary Judgment to enjoin BHO’s inauguration as President.
6. Therefore, BHO is not inaugurated as President.
7. Vice President Elect Biden is inaugurated Acting President under the 20th Amendment to serve until new President is determined — the procedure for which determination to be set out by Congress and/or the Supreme Court so long as in conformance with the Constitution.
Ted -
I was reading a comment over at Free Republic and a portion of it stated:
Quote:
It does provide that no person not a natural born citizen of the United States is eligible to the office of President.
This thing that is allegedly to be released tomorrow, would provide evidence, perhaps not conclusive, but evidence, of that lack of eligibility. Evidence that should be sufficient for a court to require that proof of eligibility is required
No matter if he take the oath of office or not, by definition he cannot be President if he is not eligible for that office. It's an exclusive OR situation. Either he is eligible or he is not.
Now who would be President if Obama were declared ineligible? Well at least at first VP Biden would be. Now someone might challenge his election as being invalid as based on fraud, but that would be a separate case, and the Constitution is clear on that at least:
Amendment XXV
Section. 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
That is one of the latter amendments, and only Gerald Ford became President under it, all Previous VPs who became President on the death or resignation of the President did so under the somewhat unclear Article II provision below:
In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President,
Notice that it really didn't say that the VP shall become President, but rather that the Powers and Duties of the office of President, go to (devolve upon) the VP. Practically speaking, the same thing, but not quite. The XXVth amendment was passed in the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination, with the main purpose being to provide for a replacement VP, but they took the opportunity to clear up that little ambiguity.
But my question is, if Obama isn't inaugurated in the first place, then Biden would not be considered "the existing VP." So, in that case, what would happen?
I have read elsewhere that others think that Bush will remain in office until the mess is straightened out. This has been done before (don't know which president), and that sitting president stayed in office for another three months. I would need to do more research on this, of course. But that is what I read. What are your thoughts on this?
Here's another good explanation:
Under the law in force at the time, a person born outside the US of a one foreign parent and one US Citizen parent would only be a citizen at birth if the US Citizen parent had resided in the US for 10 years, 5 of which had to be after that person's 14th birthday. BHO's mother was only 18 when he was born, and thus did not meet that requirement.
Under the common law of England, which is where one generally looks for the meaning of Constitutional terms that are not defined in the document itself, which is most of them, a person born outside the country in those circumstances would only be a natural born subject/citizen if the father were the British subject. A person whose mother was under 19 and father was not a US Citizen and who was born outside US territory is not a citizen at all. In countries other than those whose legal system is based up English Common law, a natural born subject had to be born in that country (with a few exceptions such as ambassadors and other representatives of the government) and of two subjects/citizens. Either way, Obama could not claim natural born status, and not even citizen status, unless later naturalized, which would make him eligible to be a Senator, but not President.
We can hope that he really screwed the pooch when he resigned his Senate seat so early in the process, (especially in light of the Blogo mess)
Regarding this statement: "McCain was born out of country"
Quote:
"Yes he was, but he met the requirement for both citizen at birth (Two US citizen parents) and natural born citizen. (the same in this case). His place of birth is irrelevant. BHO's father not being a US Citizen (as well as his mother's age) makes the difference. But that's moot, Obama's case isn't and never will be even after he's gone from office. Because his signature will be on all the laws passed while his in office, save those, if any, passed over his veto. It'll be a legal nightmare, unless and until his eligibility is legally established. Each act, and order will be challenged by someone on the basis of it not being legitimate."
More info:
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I've looked up the law itself, it just says "Citizen" not "Natural born citizen". Of course the law only applies to citizenship acquired at birth, which may or may not be the same as Natural born citizenship. I tend to think it's not. Congress only was given power to establish uniform rules for naturalization, not to define natural born. Now as it happens, by my reading, their rules make a natural born citizen a citizen at birth as well, so no harm done there, but they cannot make a non-natural born citizen into one, only into a citizen. The law says:
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
... a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; ....
No other part of section 1401 makes any distinction between natural born and naturalized citizen parent(s). The law has changed since BHO was born, at that time the citizen parent needed to have resided in the US for 10 years, 5 of them after their 14th birthday.
BHO's mother was only 18, when he was (supposedly) born. So, if he was born outside the US and never naturalized, then BHO is not only not a natural born citizen, he's not a citizen at all. If he was naturalized, then he is a citizen, but could not be a natural born one. /quote
i'll stick this in a comment since it's obviously too embarassing for you to let your readers know.
from the post you sent us to, here's the real truth:
"Update 1/1/2009, 3:36am CT - In his 7:45pm Plains Radio broadcast, this last night, Ed Hale backed down from his prior assertion of having gained even uncertain information about the Barack Sr. / Stanley Ann divorce decree containing language referring to Barack Jr. as being born in Kenya. Instead, Hale referred to an apparently tricky recollection... of an indeterminate person... referring to such a document's generally referring to the place of birth of the children of the divorced parents. That is not what I heard from Mr. Hale on the 31st."
imagine that.
share the whole truth if you're going to keep harping on this charade, christine.
the guy is a charlatan (a likely rascist, too, but the only thing we know for d-mn certain is that he's a charlatan) - always has been, always will be.
i'd find some other roman soldiers to cast in lots with if i were you...
mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa
mikerucker.wordpress.com
Mike,
As you will notice, I went ahead and posted your comment.
Even if Ed Hale's information turns out to be less than purported by him, the fact still remains that if Obama's father was, in fact, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., then Obama is still ineligible to be POTUS as per the "natural born citizen" clause in Article II of our U.S. Constitution.
If it turns out that someone ELSE is his biological father (e.g. Malcolm X - as it has been rumored), then Obama may be eligible for POTUS but I think that a lot of people in this nation will be shocked and dismayed by all the lies (including two books that weren't even authored by Obama - they were ghostwritten by an unrepentant domestic terrorist named William Ayers) Obama has told to cover up his real parentage.
I would doubt that the Media of Mass Deception would hide such a fact from the public if it were found that Sarah Palin's identity was falsified during her run for the V.P. slot on the Republican ticket! The MMD would have had a field day - clobbering her even more if such a fraudulent claim was exposed! Not so for Obama...though. He is "in their pocket." He gets a pass - as usual because he's the "media darling" and they WANT him to be POTUS - no matter WHAT he has done (or, is not).
Don't know how long that love-fest between the media and Obama will last, though. I think that this case is about to explode - wide open!
For the purpose of possible new readers (my counter indicates over 550 views here yesterday), I want to post some comments that I had previously posted on this blog which explain, in detail, WHY the Framers deemed it necessary for only a "natural born citizen" to be POTUS. I have also placed this within a recent comment over at Dr. Orly Taitz' blog:
There is an excellent article about this at New Media Journal:
Why the POTUS Needs to Be a Natural-Born Citizen
Also, in a brief conversation I had with another blogger, I received more information related to why "Natural Born Citizen" is necessary and why the Framers of the Constitution thought so.
Previously, I wrote:
There is an immensely important reason why our Founding Fathers put "natural born citizen" status as a prerequisite for POTUS. They intellectually surmised that one day, a person might run for POTUS with secret loyalty to another nation which could put our nation in jeopardy. [Added note:
Obama's ties to Odinga is just one example of a worrisome secret loyalty.]
There is TOO MUCH SECRECY around Obama's history and lack of papers - especially the fact that he has hundreds of lawyers (and Gov. Lingle in Hawaii) trying to
keep his vault length COLB from being examined by the public. Why is that? There can be only three possible reasons.
1. He doesn't have one. We should know why!
2. The one he has will prove he's not a natural born citizen as required by the U.S. Constitution and is therefore, ineligible to be POTUS. Obama has taken great lengths not to let anyone see it. This scenario seems the most plausible.
3. There is something embarrassing on it that he wants hidden from the public (e.g. his real father is Malcolm X as has been rumored).
I really doubt that the last reason would cause such intense secrecy.
I think that the American public deserves to know the truth about where Obama was born - and we need to demand that his vault length COLB be shown to the public!
In response to my comment, a blogger named "Sean" wrote:
I have to go back a bit to to touch upon something which I truly intended to acknowledge earlier. It is a very profound, rock solid truth about what the Founding Fathers believed.
Christinewjc wrote...
"There is an immensely important reason why our Founding Fathers put "natural born citizen" status as a prerequisite for POTUS. They intellectually surmised that one day, a person might run for POTUS with secret loyalty to another nation which could put our nation in jeopardy."
This statement by Christine is absolutely, positively, 110% correct. I want to repeat it... but louder this time...
"There is an immensely important reason why our Founding Fathers put "natural born citizen" status as a prerequisite for POTUS. They intellectually surmised that one day, a person might run for POTUS with secret loyalty to another nation which could put our nation in jeopardy."
Nailed it! I think every Citizen of the United States should at least once in his or her life pay a visit to Colonial Williamsburg, Virginia. Perhaps even twice. On the tour you will learn the basis for the "natural born citizen" clause.
What I was previously unaware of until a recent visit to Williamsburg was that the ultimate basis for this belief was the pre-existing fear-based rivalry between the British throne and the Papacy - which is to say between the Church of England and the Roman Holy See & the Pope - and it had everything to do with the fear of a leader with real or imagined loyalties to a foreign king. It even goes further back than that to Imperial Rome and the new Christians whose loyalty was to the Messiah King, Jesus Christ. This was translated or transmutated over time to earthly realms of kings, princes and principalities, and it still a fact to this day, and will be a fact during the reign of the future antichrist. It is the core of the conflict between Judeo-Christianity and Islam, the real God vs. false god core issue. But I digress...
Did you know this sense continued in America right on up to President J. F. Kennedy? That's right, no Catholic had been elected President until JFK was elected because of the long-standing fear that a Catholic believer would be ultimately loyal to the Pope before and above the Constitution of the United States. This is the basis for the "natural born citizen" clause. And it took a trip to Colonial Williamsburg just last summer for me to learn this important bit of American history.
Good work bringing this point up Christine, and thank you for reminding me about it.
Now we're worried about a likely POTUS who has not so much a oyalty to a foreign king, but loyalty and an agenda tied to a foreign ideology - an antithesis ideology - to that which has been uniquely American since the founding of this Republic. That is the core issue in a nutshell, and this is why I had to return to this comment.
When taking all of this information and applying it to the question why did the Framers of the United States Constitution put in "natural born citizen" status for POTUS - ONLY - then we realize why Obama is not eligible (if his father is Obama Sr.) and should not be sworn in on Jan. 20th.
NO ONE should be able to change this requirement AFTER THE FACT. A Constitutional amendment would be required before Obama could ever become president. His situation is just like Arnold Schwarzenegger's - Obama can be a senator and Arnold can be a governor of a state, but neither man is eligible to be POTUS as per the Constitution, Article II clause states.
the fact still remains that if Obama's father was, in fact, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., then Obama is still ineligible to be POTUS as per the "natural born citizen" clause in Article II of our U.S. Constitution.
so 'the "fact" remains' that if you could find any "facts" these "facts" would speak for themselves.
and the only reason we can't find any of these "facts" is because of the media.
i'm glad we have you on the case, christine - i mean, i thought we only had the supreme court, our legal system, a long election process, etc.
i can rest much easier knowing we have an authority like you on the case instead of all those pretenders.
btw - do you have rear-view mirrors on your PC monitor? surely in all that paranoia in which you live you'd want to know when someone is sneaking up behind you... :)
-mr
Mike,
You continue to post here as if I am the only one concerned about Obama's eligibility for POTUS.
I have a bad feeling that all of this controversy will be ignored by SCOTUS. I am praying that the reverse is true - but Jan. 9th and Jan. 16th will most likely settle the problem (or, in the case of inaction on SCOTUS' part - "suppress" the problem) and Obama will be inaugurated anyway.
You and your cronies will have gotten their way.
I would see it as a very sad day for the United States of America and our U.S. Constitution. Most likely the 50 million who have caught on to this controversy will probably feel the same way that I do about it.
However, at least those who worked to get the truth out about Obama can be proud of their efforts to save this nation from a possible usurper.
You and your cronies will have gotten their way.
my 'cronies'? you mean the overwhelming majority of voters, both democrat and open-minded republican, who elected obama?
those 'cronies'?
you mean the millions of americans who watched their life savings get wiped out this past year?
those 'cronies'?
you mean those of us who call ourselves 'americans' who now have a reputation in the world that has sunk to new lows the past eight years?
those 'cronies'?
you mean those of us who are trying to make ends meet while bush, cheney and the wall street bankers ride off into the sunset with free money thanks to a bailout that we'll never get?
are those the 'cronies' you're talking about?
my guess is that, for the first time in a long while, God has given us a real leader - one who hopefully can repair all these 'benefits' that the present administration has awarded me and my 'cronies' the past eight years.
the wrong man in the white house who votes the way you'd like on abortion is still the wrong man in the white house. and it's quite clear what eight years of that accomplished.
-mr
Right near your comment (in my email inbox) was one of those spam ads that escaped the spam inbox. It read:
"Flush toxic sludge from your colon."
Then I read your comment.
Coincidence? A kind of secret message perhaps?
Just thought I'd share that with you...
;-)
te he
ewwww...
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