Power Over Those Who Refuse to Think

I was out all day yesterday.  Bible study in the morning, lunch with a friend, a bit of mall shopping, and then at least three more errands were completed.  As I was driving home, I happened to tune in to Roger Hedgecock's radio show.  He was discussing the Obama campaign's new slogan - Forward.

Several blogs, including Gateway Pundit have already covered the historic meaning of that term as it relates to socialism, Marxism, and Nazi-fascism.

Here's a great comment (with additional links) from Gateway Pundit:

#7 April 30, 2012 at 11:28 pm
S. Wolf commented:

Patty #2 ‘The Obama campaign apparently didn’t look backwards into history when selecting its new campaign slogan, “Forward” — a word with a long and rich association with European Marxism.

Many Communist and radical publications and entities throughout the 19th and 20th centuries had the name “Forward!” or its foreign cognates. Wikipedia has an entire section called “Forward (generic name of socialist publications).”

“The name Forward carries a special meaning in socialist political terminology. It has been frequently used as a name for socialist, communist and other left-wing newspapers and publications,” the online encyclopedia explains.

The slogan “Forward!” reflected the conviction of European Marxists and radicals that their movements reflected the march of history, which would move forward past capitalism and into socialism and communism.

The Obama campaign released its new campaign slogan Monday in a 7-minute video. The title card has simply the word “Forward” with the “O” having the familiar Obama logo from 2008. It will be played at rallies this weekend that mark the Obama re-election campaign’s official beginning.

There have been at least two radical-left publications named “Vorwaerts” (the German word for “Forward”). One was the daily newspaper of the Social Democratic Party of Germany whose writers included Friedrich Engels and Leon Trotsky. It still publishes as the organ of Germany’s SDP, though that party has changed considerably since World War II. Another was the 1844 biweekly reader of the Communist League. Karl Marx, Engels and Mikhail Bakunin are among the names associated with that publication.

East Germany named its Army soccer club ASK Vorwaerts Berlin (later FC Vorwaerts Frankfort).

Vladimir Lenin founded the publication “Vpered” (the Russian word for “forward”) in 1905. Soviet propaganda film-maker Dziga Vertov made a documentary whose title is sometimes translated as “Forward, Soviet” (though also and more literally as “Stride, Soviet”).

Conservative critics of the Obama administration have noted numerous ties to radicalism and socialists throughout Mr. Obama’s history, from his first political campaign being launched from the living room of two former Weather Underground members, to appointing as green jobs czar Van Jones, a self-described communist.’

New Obama slogan has long ties to Marxism, socialism

Commie by any other name h/t bg.

See also ‘Government is greater than God: Hussein bin Obama 2007′

All of the corruption and nefarious actions and issues surrounding evil ObamaFRAUD are most certainly serious. This one is as well.   I wonder, how many young people actually know about the history of that word being used in European communist campaigns of the past?

Mr. Hedgecock played a tune that made me burst out laughing. Even though it had to do with Hitler (and the horror of that disastrous era cannot ever be forgotten), the fact that the song was written for a movie called The Producers and the intent in the storyline was for the film/play to be a "flop;" ended up having the additional purpose of mocking Hitler and the Nazis.  After all the 1960's TV hit "Hogan's Heroes" was done for the same purpose.

At the following link, you can view a YouTube clip of: The ORIGINAL performance "Springtime for Hitler" from the movie The Producers by Mel Brooks.

Some comments at the Youtube site:

so heilarious! it's reichdiculous
bombercat9909 3 weeks ago

Some people were offended by it, but one commentator perhaps tells us why some may not be offended:

The song celebrated and praised Hitler, while the guy's performance as Hitler could be interpreted as him making fun of Hitler, a satire.

MissTJOwnz in reply to COLovesYou1 2 weeks ago

If anyone is, was, or will be offended by the video clip (especially if you are familiar with the film) then don't click on the link. I can certainly understand anyone who might feel that way. Perhaps anything to do with Hitler should not ever be considered as "funny."

But while growing up, I watched Hogan's Heroes and laughed at the bumbling stupidity of it all.

On a more serious note, this past weekend I watched a two-part series on The Third Reich. The first part was “The Rise” and the second part was “The Fall.” I had seen “The Fall” several months ago, but seeing “The Rise” and how Hitler came to power in such a short amount of time was astonishing…to say the least!

One of the narrators of the documentary stated that the people screaming “Heil Hitler” and using the Nazi hand sign were “insane.”

The wild-eyed people that were filmed in the crowd reminded me of the ObamaBorg Bots of today who would succumb to a dictator-like “leader” because they fell for an undefined slogan back in 2008, and now want to continually have a hand out from the government instead of the American way of a hand up.

 It is scary to think that millions of people will mindlessly vote for Obama again because they have fallen hook, line, and sinker for the propaganda via all the Alinsky tactics used on them.  After 99 weeks on unemployment, many either STILL can't find a job (because of Obummer's disatrous policies) or they really don’t want to work again.  Like mindless zombies, they will vote the fraud back in because they think that if they don't, they will lose their “benefits.”   They don't know how bad the future would be with another four years of ObaMAO!  They would trade away their freedom, liberty, pursuit of happiness and  genuine justice;  all for the lies of a would-be dictator.  Here's a warning for you:  Germany has been there, done that!

I wish that every single one of those people would watch The Third Reich series documentary so that they would see how the dictatorship of a totalitarian “leader” quickly becomes corrupted and only ends in misery, suffering and death.

The Third Reich documentary shows horrendous original film footage  (often smuggled out of Germany back then) of the slaughter of millions of Jews with their bodies stacked up in a pile like they were garbage.  Such inhumanity will NEVER escape my mind. It was one of the most brutal, treacherous, ugly, insane and devastatingly evil times in history. It makes me tear up and cry every time.

To see the country of Poland being bombed and hear that the people (my grandparents escaped from there) being taken over by the Nazis were raped, pillaged, put into slavery, and brutally killed turned my stomach.

To see evidence of a camp for teen girls and boys where their own parents were unaware of the "counselors" that encouraged them to fornicate (and get the girls pregnant) in order to produce babies of what they considered a "superior" Aryan race was disgusting.

To see evidence of the sterilization of those who were considered "unfit" (i.e. the lame, the mentally challenged, the deformed etc.) or the outright killing of such individuals was grossly appalling.

That is why the documentary has warnings to the viewer that some of the footage (all original) would be too disturbing to see.

  But I think that every American over the age of 12 SHOULD see it!

Then, when they enter into the progressive bastion of insanity known as liberal colleges and universities, such educated students wouldn't fall for the Marxist propaganda so often preached by professors. That is exactly what happened during the beginnings of the ObamaBorgBot era of 2007-2008. These young adults had been so brain-dirtied by ObamaMao's call for "hope and change" that they didn't even know WHAT kind of deleterious change he was actually referring to!!!

Some of the information included in my previous paragraphs (in bold) were originally posted in the comment section at my friend Steve's blog. I thought that Steve's reply was spot on!

Cry and Howl May 1, 2012 5:52 am

I think what the underlying, subconscience feeling for all people is the need to feel safe and secure. To be assured the government is doing their main function of securing safety for the people. The need of security for people and their families is the motivating factor in determining who they “cheer” for. Obama and company deceive the people into thinking the Republicans want to take the security away using financial and health concerns to frighten people. Sowing the seeds of class warfare. And it works. Convincing people that they’ll be safe and secure financially, emotionallly, health wise, in retirement and the latest, safe from terrorist attack is the key to staying in power and yes, even securing complete power over those that cannot think.

[Hat Tip to Steve for giving me this blog post title idea!]

My response: Christine  May 1, 2012 9:38 am

Well said Steve! I think you are right. The damage being done by Obama is changing minds towards hopelessness, which leads to dependency. They seem to think that having a pResident who will preach the socialistic cradle-to-grave mentality of “we will take care of you” won’t end badly.

As you so brilliantly pointed out, the “safety and security” of the people which is done in this way gives far too much power to the “leader.” Thus, such a leader turned dictator will “secure complete power over those that cannot think.”

The manipulation of people’s minds is astonishing! How could they be so blind, deaf, and dumb to not see what is REALLY happening here??

I think a lot of it is due to spiritual deception.

 People are very desperate these days.

Crime is up in my area where we have lived for almost 12 years. This was NEVER an area where break-ins happened often. All of that has changed under Obamafraud’s criminalship!

Even though many Christian organizations that provide relief such as food banks and shelters are working around the clock, it is not enough to cover the needs of so many who are suffering these days. People who have lost jobs don’t have the income to help support such efforts anymore. Therefore, some people think that government will save them. This is being done all by design by those who follow the father of lies. Heck, didn’t Saul Alinsky dedicate his book, Rules For Radicals to Lucifer?

I continue to pray that enough people will be awakened to the truth about all the criminality surrounding Obama.  They need to take the blinders off and really see the radical in the White House and his ilk before it’s too late. A second term of Zero would give him an unchecked ability to absolutely crush our way of life and decimate America into something we won’t even recognize.

Lord Jesus, please help us!!

I sincerely hope that people will be educated about the Marxist/National Socialist (Nazi) history of Zero's new campaign slogan and wholeheartedly REJECT him and all his radicalized ilk this coming November!

Hat Tips to all links.

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UPDATE:

Also see: Nice Deb: Hump Day Link Around - Forward

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Another Terrible Tragedy [Update 7]

Since my computer is still awaiting repair, I turned on the borrowed laptop and the front page headline at The Wall Street Journal website revealed the terribly tragic news that Arizona Congresswoman - Gabrielle Giffords - was Shot in the head and feared killed. Fox News is reporting that she is still alive and in surgery. Several others were shot, too.


Gateway Pundit has additional details. Be sure to read the link to that awful blog - The Daily Kos - for some startling information. I don't want to directly link to it. They have a blog post up with the headline: "My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!"

Prayers go out to her, the additional victims, and their families.

Of course, the blame game begins. I was disheartened to hear Fox News tell a story that someone involved with the TEA Party was responsible.

Why would anyone volunteer to serve in Congress knowing that crazy kooks out there who disagree with a person's ideology and/or politics would resort to such an evil, deathly act of revenge??

Gateway Pundit reports: AZ SHOOTER: JAROD LOUGHNER – He Likes Watching US Flags Burn & Favorite Book is Communist Manifesto


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You can get updates about what is transpiring anywhere on the blogs. I have become curious as to why the Daily Kos scrubbed the following story and comments from the blog!

Update:

The Daily Kos story has been scrubbed. Unfortunately, I do not know how to take a screen-shot, but the following is what was written there before it was scrubbed. [NOTE: BAD LANGUAGE ALERT - I will clean up the cuss words found within the copied comments when I get the time.] - Christine

Quote:

My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!
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Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17 AM PST
I am from the Tucson area and live in Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords' district. I worked like a dog for her elections when she was in the Arizona house, surrounded by rightwing nutcases. When Arizona re-districted in 2002, a seat opened up and she was right smack in the middle of it. So was I because I live in Oro Valley, Arizona, which is at the heart of that - then - new CD. I
was one of several people to talk her into running and pledging complete loyalty and pledging to raise as much money as possible for her.

She ended up running for the first time against a fellow AZ House member, Randy Graf who was a rightwing whacko who advocated guns in bars and was the "Russell Pearce before Russell Pearce" vis-a-vis border issues. With a LOT of hard work and plenty of money, Gabby won. Easier than thought, too. I never like to throw money in people's faces, but i have given Gabrielle Giffords THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars in both good times and bad times for me financially.

BoyBlue's diary :: ::
Fast forward to this election season. A weirdo asshole named Jesse Kelly who advocated ELIMINATING Social Security and was a tea bagger favorite got the GOP nom to run against her. I am gay and had been married and my spouse left me January 15, 2010. I shot myself in the mouth in a serious suicide attempt, because of that. Barely surviving, I spent two months in the hospital and still have some paralysis. I did receive a severance from my employer, as i had been laid off in December, 2009. That may have been part of the reason my spouse left me.

Anyway, after months of physical and mental rehab, I got back into the political scene and started working for Gabby once again. I raised over $100,000 for her and maxed her out myself out of my severance, even though i still don't have work and could not qualify for state aid because of my severance.

She wins her re-election and told me she was still a supporter of Speaker Pelosi at her victory party. We talked about how Nancy Pelosi was a successful woman and accomplished oh so much in just four years as Speaker.

Today, just a little while ago, I saw on Andrea Mitchell Reports (out of the one eye in can still see out of) that Giffords voted AGAINST Nancy Pelosi as our Minority Leader. Rhetorical question: I fought back from my condition and jumped in with both feet to help Gabrielle Giffords for THIS s**t???

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is dead to me now. I won't lift a finger, make one phone call, nor will i EVER vote for her in the future. And why did she do this? Giffords never told me she was conservative Democrat. And her voting record is okay. Damn.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-agains
t-Nancy-Pelosi


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Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:18 AM PST


Look, it DOESN'T matter WHY (3+ / 0-)
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she did this or whom she voted for. It could have been Elvis or Jesus Christ...it accomplishes NOTHING but plays into the MEDIA NARRATIVE of Democrats against Pelosi. Just watch.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:53:00 AM PST

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BoyBlue, you stated (2+ / 0-)
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her voting record is okay.

If you are satisfied with the way she votes; why not vote for her again?

by Kitty on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:56:38 AM PST

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Very very poor timing and (2+ / 0-)
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extremely poor choice of words BoyBlue especially now that she was assassinated an hour ago. Maybe you'll think twice before using terminology like this.

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is dead to me now.

The beatings will continue until morale improves. -8.50, -6.92

by ferallike on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:30:12 AM PST

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Why are you telling us this? (6+ / 0-)
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Call their office and let them know... handwrite this diary on stationary, sign, and hand deliver it to her field office. Those kind of letters get attention.

DARTH SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
LANDO REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

by LordMike on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:09:05 AM PST


because this is a blog. (8+ / 0-)
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gooderservice, BoyBlue

"I drank what?!" -Socrates

by bagman on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:11:09 AM PST

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already done. but people need to know (8+ / 0-)
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about our turncoats. i have even left a message on HER cell. which she won't return.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:11:50 AM PST

[ Parent ]

She voted for Rep. John Lewis (27+ / 0-)
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Not Shuler. Statement:

Congresswoman Giffords today cast a ceremonial vote in the process of confirming Rep. John Boehner as the next Speaker of the House of Representatives.

The congresswoman’s vote for Rep. John Lewis signaled her desire for courageous leadership and high moral standards at a critical time in our nation’s history. He is one of our nation’s most prominent civil rights leaders and a hero to all Americans.

John Lewis spent a lifetime standing up for the enduring values that sets our nation apart from all others. He is widely admired by his colleagues on both sides of the aisle and in both houses of Congress. Sen. John McCain, put it well in his 2004 book, “Why Courage Matters: the Way to a Braver Life.” Sen. McCain wrote that “John Lewis was as courageous as anyone could ever hope to be.”

In words and deeds, John Lewis should be a clear and bright guiding light for every member of Congress and every American. His integrity and civility is an example for us all.

by Adam B on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:13:49 AM PST


I thought you meant against Pelosi as Min. Leader (3+ / 0-)
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For THAT I could see your vitriol, but on this?

What was essentially a coronation for Boehner? Not so much. Heck, she could have voted for Donkey Kong, and I wouldn't care much. [But I agree that Shuler would be a terrible choice.]

We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

by Samer on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:19:42 AM PST

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She Might Have (1+ / 0-)
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If memory serves, Giffords kept her Minority Leader vote on the DL.

Too Folk For You

by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:27:02 AM PST

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well thanks for this but it is silly. (2+ / 0-)
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why? because she is helping the media narrative that NINETEEN Democrats voted against Nancy Pelosi. I always knew Gabby wasn't the brightest bulb (but always voted correctly), but i must say, that vote and that statement, in lieu of how the media spins things like this is just....STUPID. And Pelosi has a LOOOONG memory and our CD is now at the bottom of the barrel because of this. She embarrassed the former Speaker, she embarrassed herself, and she embarrassed ME as a former supporter.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:19:48 AM PST

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Um... (4+ / 0-)
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You always knew she wasn't the brighest bulb? Why would you give thousands of your own dollars away to someone you thought was stupid? Sounds like you may be the one who isn't the brightest bulb.

by MRobDC on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:22:41 AM PST

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perhaps, but i wanted a more left congressperson. (1+ / 0-)
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Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:30:37 AM PST

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A Couple Points (14+ / 0-)
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First: Giffords is an actual Blue Dog (not like the way Kossacks use it) so if you've worked so hard for her I don't know how you wouldn't know that.

Second: She didn't vote for Shuler. She voted for John Lewis; as did fellow Blue Dog John Barrow.

Too Folk For You

by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:19:06 AM PST


not so shocking (2+ / 0-)
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that a blue dog is against Pelosi.

by House of Gin on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:20:35 AM PST

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No, And It Will Play Well In Her District (2+ / 0-)
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Same for Barrow when the time comes.

Too Folk For You

by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:22:17 AM PST

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do YOU live here? Pelosi was NOT an issue (0+ / 0-)
in this election. keep buying into the media BULLS**T, bro!!!

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:27:56 AM PST

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Your District is R+4 "Bro" (3+ / 0-)
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I didn't say Pelosi was a big factor in the district, but she's even less of a factor now that whoever runs against her next time won't be able to say, "And she voted to continue San Francisco Liberal Nancy Pelosi's tenure as speaker!"

Too Folk For You

by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:31:23 AM PST

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Tucson "Rs" are usually moderate to even liberal (1+ / 0-)
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Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:54:37 AM PST

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Yup - the kind that might vote for a Blue Dog (0+ / 0-)
but not for a real progressive. So, advantage Gabby.

You might consider moving to Raul's district if it means that much to you...

by furi kuri on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:43:20 PM PST

[ Parent ]

read my comment to Adam B below please (0+ / 0-)
thanks.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:28:25 AM PST

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yeah but fact remains (0+ / 0-)
she's a freakin blue dog. The shocking thing is you believed her lies and worked for her. Lesson learned.

by House of Gin on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:24:38 PM PST

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she has told me personally that she is a (2+ / 0-)
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BDINO = Blue Dog In Name Only

So, yeah, i did know that. And she comes from a rich family so let her finance her own ***dam elections from now on. But i hope she loses. Rumor has it Arizona's "Independent" Re-Districting Commission (but in reality, is a GOP shill group) is planning on tossing her and Grijalva into the same CD for next time. Well, hmmm, since i helped them BOTH in 2010, and now this backstabbing from Giffords, who do you think i will work for next time??? Hint: i LOVE Raul
and he is a friend as well and is sooo strong on my signature issues of gay rights.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:26:47 AM PST

[ Parent ]

She Lied To You (3+ / 0-)
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ProgressivePunch rates Giffords almost dead last among Democrats when it comes to voting on the right side in the areas of Aid to the Less Advantaged, Fair Taxation, and Making the Government Work for Everybody, Not Just the Rich and Powerful.

http://progressivepunch.org/...

Too Folk For You

by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:29:19 AM PST

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okay, so she's a liar and i am an idiot. (1+ / 0-)
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she's STILL dead to me.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:31:19 AM PST

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Considering that much of Jesse Kelly's campaign (7+ / 0-)
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consisted of painting Gabby as a "Pelosi Democrat", can you conceive that the Lewis vote was for protective cover come 2012 ("I voted against Nancy Pelosi") and may even have been with the new Minority Leader's blessing? It's not like the vote was critical, or even close. Perhaps you're overreacting here.

Pancho needs your prayers it's true, but save a few for Lefty, too. Townes van
Zandt.

by DaNang65 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:20:07 AM PST


wrong. do YOU live here? (0+ / 0-)
That was NOT a central tenet of his whacko campaign. Don't say s**t unless you
know, k???

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:29:35 AM PST

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In fact I do live in Tucson, in CD-07, (2+ / 0-)
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and heard a never ending stream of tv commercials by or on Kelley's behalf. Perhaps you think of Oro Valley as representative of CD-08, I think it's much more about Cochise County and the east side of town.

Pancho needs your prayers it's true, but save a few for Lefty, too. Townes van Zandt.

by DaNang65 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:34:12 AM PST

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I know CD-07 better. I walked, er, limped it. (0+ / 0-)
MANY times. And it is FULL of "Giffords Republicans." full of liberal Republicans in general? Do you know the names Jim Kolbe, Toni Hellon, and Mike Hellon???

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:04:33 PM PST

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Is this some sort of twenty questions game? (1+ / 0-)
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Do I get to ask any?
Of course I know who Jim Kolbe is. Being in LD-27 I'm not as familiar with the Hellon's, but have a vague awareness of their existence. Now my turn. Why was it necessary to put the word CongressWOMAN in that capitalization? Should I infer something from your sig line?

Pancho needs your prayers it's true, but save a few for Lefty, too. Townes van Zandt.

by DaNang65 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:16:22 PM PST

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we both had expressed admiration for a WOMAN (2+ / 0-)
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Speaker and how things have come a long way. Then she throws Nancy under the bus? Giffords isn't qualified to carry Pelosi's Prada handbag.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:40:45 PM PST

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That's an acceptable explanation, although (0+ / 0-)
it might have been better spelled out in the text. Obviously any inference I might have drawn would have been inappropriate. I still disagree with the necessary truth of your assertion that Rep. Giffords threw the former Speaker under the bus, and neither you nor I really know what,
if any, transactions occurred privately between them. Politics ain't beanbag, as Mr. Dooley noted.

Pancho needs your prayers it's true, but save a few for Lefty, too. Townes van Zandt.

by DaNang65 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:58:42 PM PST

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The inference I made.... (1+ / 0-)
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to the capitalization is this: Democratic women might want to support other Democratic women achieve as much power as possible in Congress (since women are underrepresented there).

Should BoyBlue (and the other gays reading this diary's thread) infer something about comments in this thread which ask "Why are you telling us this?" (and thank you bagman for your appropriate reply to that question....I'd tip you 100xs for that if I could), or that make an ad hominmen attack on the diarist by suggesting he's hysterical (you know us gays, how f**king hysterical we can be) and needs to "calm down"?

by BoxerDave on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:43:41 PM PST

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Oh, and might I add.... (1+ / 0-)
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...that five kossacks (I'm naming them in case they delete their tip) tipped the ad hominem comment.

Adam B, homogenius, Annalize5, mcronan, bythesea, you should all be ashamed for
tipping such an attack.

by BoxerDave on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:54:33 PM PST

[ Parent ]

It was an attack on the tone of the writing. (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:homogenius
However, had I known the author was gay (I take your word for it), I wouldn't have tipped it b/c of the word hysterical -- nor do I like seeing it used against women. For that reason, I'll pick up the rec.

by Adam B on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 05:17:46 PM PST

[ Parent ]

Thank you so much for ur support. (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:BoxerDave
I appreciate it...bigtime. and, if you're gay like i am, even on progressive sites like this, we need to stick together. Giffords voted to repeal DADT and always accepted my being gay. THAT'S kinda why her vote "hurt" so much. I am bringing it up at our next local Democratic precinct meeting. Thanks again, Dave!!!!

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 06:01:48 PM PST

[ Parent ]

Looking at previous diaries (4+ / 0-)
Recommended by:homogenius, Annalize5, mcronan, bythesea
You seem to have a knack for writing alarmist, hysterical diaries. Have a nice cup of tea, watch a little TV, and calm down a little before writing diaries please.

by MRobDC on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:37:47 AM PST


Perhaps I *feel* a little too much. (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:BoxerDave
I am working on that stuff with my shrinks after my suicide attempt. But thanks (sarcasm) for pointing that out. Actually, and THIS is silly, part of what went through my mind before i pulled the trigger - aside from the end of my gay marriage - was Blanche Lincoln killing the public option and the general feeling that HCR wasn't going anywhere. THAT'S how dedicated i am.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:59:33 AM PST

[ Parent ]

That's not dedication (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:mcronan
It is something I am glad to hear you are working hard on with your "shrinks".

I know that, but I don't believe it

by Catte Nappe on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:24:23 PM PST

[ Parent ]

Understand that political change is a long-term (6+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Catte Nappe, blindcynic, mcronan, BoyBlue, john07801, psychodrew
job. Please don't bet your life on such things again.

Good luck.

Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

by Sirenus on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:30:00 PM PST

[ Parent ]

This is silly. (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:mcronan, bythesea
This is a district vote and one that is meaningless because she knows Pelosi will get the Leader position anyway. Giffords is a good one in a very red state (I live her too). It's standard fair to allow the purple districts to take some "face-saving" votes.

by BrowniesAreGood on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:52:23 AM PST


it plays into the media narrative of (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:LordMike, BoxerDave
"Democrats against Pelosi" that only serves to help the repugs.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:56:22 AM PST

[ Parent ]

Until unemployment is under 9% (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:mcronan
it won't matter if she voted for Jesus Christ for Speaker. She's in an R+4, she's lucky she squeeked by this time.

by MRobDC on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:58:12 AM PST

[ Parent ]

Look at her previous elections. (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:BoxerDave
Her CD is VERY moderate, even liberal...VERY liberal in parts. and pro-gay. +R
sometimes means less than people here think.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:02:06 PM PST

[ Parent ]

A very moderate district (2+ / 0-)
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doesn't give Jesse Kelly 47.2% of the vote and the libertarian 3.9%. If the Liberterian hadn't been the race, Kelly would be your rep now. keep that in mind.

by MRobDC on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:07:35 PM PST

[ Parent ]

I don't buy that thinking. Sorry. Sell crazy (0+ / 0-)
someplace else, cuz i ain't buyin'.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:42:22 PM PST

[ Parent ]

It's a meaningless gesture (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Catte Nappe, mcronan
and doesn't affect her important votes (such as her vote for DADT repeal ).

And next election you will have the choice of her or Jesse Kelly again.

I'm in Gabby's district now, and she has always been a blue dog - but she has always been the politican that saves us from the Jesse Kelly's of Arizona.

John McCain is deeply disappointed that Barack Obama has failed to follow through on John McCain's campaign promises.

by tiponeill on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:03:23 PM PST


Don't write a just diary about it.... (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:tiponeill, BoyBlue
....Write her an email. Easy enough to find the necessary link.

www.house.gov

Then look for her name and go to her website; then check for a Contact link.

Someone who has given her as much support as you should make an impression if you complain.

And....just a suggestion....ease off a bit from now on. You shouldn't beggar yourself supporting any political candidate. Direct more of your money and your energy to your your own concerns and good health.

Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

by Sirenus on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:28:13 PM PST


Oops! That subject line should be (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:BoxerDave, BoyBlue
"don't just write a diary."

My bad.

Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

by Sirenus on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:32:44 PM PST

[ Parent ]

After reading your diary, and.... (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:BoyBlue
...nearly all of the comments in this thread, you deserve an empathic response from me BoyBlue. I'll do my best; here goes.

That Giffords did not bother to return your call after all the work you did for her, says something about her. If I had worked for her as you did, and if she had, after all my hard work, not returned my telephone call, I'd be furious with her. You'd be crazy not to be angry about that.

Thanks for writing this diary and for putting her name on my radar; I knew little about her before this diary/diary thread.

You certainly don't need to be asked "Why are you telling us this?", or "have a cup of tea" and chill out (not sure if there's some subtext to those comments or not, but the thread, overall, has put me in a surly mood). Some people are cruel mo********kers; but, you know this.

Stay strong; stay active; stay vocal.

by BoxerDave on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:22:23 PM PST


thank you for the VERY kind words!!!!!!!!! (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:BoxerDave
: )

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:44:32 PM PST

[ Parent ]

you are sooo cool and sweet!!! thank you again!!! (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:BoxerDave
my facebook, if ur interested, can be found at my private email:
joeystuart@gmail.com

You keep the faith, too, buddy!!!

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 06:04:15 PM PST

[ Parent ]

sorry my facebook can be found at: (0+ / 0-)
joeystuart9@gmail.com

left out the 9 the first time.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Fri Jan 07, 2011 at 08:36:56 AM PST

[ Parent ]

What's your feelings now she IS dead? (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:homogenius, guinea
Words aren't always just words.

If I were a praying person, I'd pray for both of your souls.

by ColoTim on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:16:10 AM PST


This dairy is chilling with the shooting (1+ / 0-)
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by guinea on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:57:09 AM PST

[ Parent ]

The author did post on the first front page (0+ / 0-)
diary about this, saying how he was very upset about this and how he had been planning on going to the event but changed his mind due to his mother's illness.

My guess is they'll never use the "dead to me" term ever again.

by ColoTim on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 12:05:49 PM PST

[ Parent ]

You killed Gabrielle Gifford, you bastard! (0+ / 0-)
Way to go.
/unquote

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Update 2:

The following link has a screen shot of the original Daily Kos post:

Ellis County Observer

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Also see:

Michelle Malkin - Horror: Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords shot at Tuscon event, 4 5 dead; Update: Reports that Giffords still alive, in surgery; President Obama, Speaker Boehner, Palin, Brewer react; shooter ID’d as Jared Loughner

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Update 3: While posting comments on Sarah Palin's Facebook page, one commenter there has written back to me and identified the Boy Blue blogger as the shooter! I cannot confirm this at the moment, but will try to get more information and report it here.
- Christine

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Update 4: Here is the conversation that I had with Albert on Facebook:

Christine W. January 8 at 8:52pm
I just wanted to confirm that what you wrote on Sarah Palin's wall is a fact. How do you know (for certain) that "Boy Blue" is the shooter? Have you seen the (now scrubbed) posting about Boy Blue and his comments at the Daily Kos blog? I have a copy of it at my blog. Here is the link.

http://talkwisdom.blogspot.com/2011/01/another-terrible-tragedy.html
Talk Wisdom: Another Terrible Tragedy [Update 2]
talkwisdom.blogspot.com

Talk Wisdom's goal is to defend the tenets and values of Biblical Christian faith. We defend our Constitutional Republic and Charters of Freedom, especially when speaking out against destructive social and political issues. As followers of our Savior and Lord, we should boldly stand up for Jesus Christ.

Share Albert W. January 8 at 8:56pm Report
Here is the scrubbed original page
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me

Here is the cached (saved page)
http://www.elliscountyobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Pic-DailyKosNut.jpg
Daily Kos: State of the Nation
www.dailykos.com

I am from the Tucson area and live in Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords' district. I worked like a dog for her elections when she was in the Arizona House, surrounded by rightwing nutcases. When Arizona re-districted in 2002, a seat opened up and she was right smack in the middle of it. So was I bec

Share Christine W. January 8 at 9:00pm
Thanks Albert -but I really wanted to know how you know that "Boy Blue" is Jared Loughner?

Albert W. January 8 at 9:08pm Report
Somewhere there is a screen capture of BlueBoy profile that shows he is Jerad Loughner. Can't seem to local at the minute but will keep looking.

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Update 5: TONS of information, photos, saved scrubbed web pages, and videos about the killer, Jared Loughner, at Hillbuzz. In fact, they are asking the same question that I am asking:

UPDATE: 311pm CST Shooter has been identified as Jared Laughner. Was Jared Laughner a regular reader/writer/commenter on Daily Kos?

Is Jared Laughner “BoyBlue” from Daily Kos or is he in any way affiliated with Daily Kos?

Also, while you are over at Hillbuzz, be sure to read the following link:

Identify instances where the Leftist media tried to pin something on the Tea Party where it ended up being Muslims or Leftists who committed those crimes.

Here's a copy of the post:

Today, in the wake of the assassination attempt on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (which left 5 confirmed dead and over a dozen seriously injured, including the Congresswoman herself), the Leftist media tried desperately to pin this attack on the Tea Party movement and conservatives.

In reality, the would-be assassin was 22 year old Jared Lee Loughner, a confirmed Leftist who was upset Congresswoman Giffords opposed Nancy Pelosi and the Left’s open borders agenda.

What are other instances where the Leftist media attempted to pin some terrible event on the Tea Party or conservatives in general, where it turned out the atrocities were committed either by Leftist Democrats or Muslims?

We can think of a three others right off the top of our heads:

(1) NYC Times Square car bomb attempt: where Mayor Michael Bloomberg and the Leftist media attempted to blame the Tea Party, but it was a Muslim who was responsible for attempting to detonate a car filled with makeshift explosives bent on murdering scores of people in Times Square.

(2) February 2010 IRS plane attack: where the Leftist media tried to claim the Tea Party was involved in an attack on an Austin, Texas IRS facility; turns out the pilot was a Democrat.

(3) Ft. Hood attack: where the Leftist media tried to claim the Tea Party was responsible for murders on an Army base; turns out it was a Muslim who shouted “Admiral Akbar!” at the top of his lungs while opening fire on his fellow soldiers.

Can you cite other instances where the Leftist media has tried its best to pin something on Tea Party members when in the end it turns out Muslims or Leftists were actually responsible?

I was thinking the EXACT same thing a few hours ago. I thought to myself how often it turns out to be radical Islamists or radical leftist lunatics that turn out to be the perpetrators of horrible crimes - but Sarah Palin, or TEA Party Patriots, or even President George W. Bush are all somehow blamed??

Are people seriously falling for this crapola anymore?? Geez....

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1/9/11

Update 6:

Just learned (via Fox and Friends show during and interview with Jennifer Griffin) that Loughner may have been influenced and/or connected in some way to an anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-Zionist occupation, anti-semitic group...called "American Renaissance." Jennifer described the website postings as "anti-white double standard - it's a racially motivated group." As many people already know, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is Jewish. Searching for additional stories on this new development.

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Update 7 @ 9:04 a.m. PT

Gateway Pundit is now reporting:

The American Renaissance hate group denied knowing Jared Loughner. The founder of AmRen said they looked at their books and have not record of the Tucson shooter attending any events or being a member of the organization. They don’t know where DHS got their “sloppy” information.

Mr. Jared Taylor, the founder of AmRen, told FOX News:

“I had never heard of Loughner until yesterday. That is complete nonsense. I have absolutely no idea what DHS is talking about. We have never used the term “ZOG”. We have never thought in those terms…

If this is the level of research we are getting from DHS then heaven help us.”

James Rosen at FOX News reported.

Who to believe? A hate group or Obama’s politicized DHS?

"Expelled" Movie Exposes Mini-gods of Liberal Fascism

I know. Some readers here might be thinking...not another blogpost about that movie, "Expelled"'!

Yes. Another blogpost and link to a terrific article about this movie. Let's just say that Carol Devine-Molin's article, "Ben Stein Assails the Intelligensia," almost flawlessly reflects the truth about why this movie has drawn the hysterical ire of the liberal leftists. I couldn't have said it better!

[Note: some movie spoilers ahead.]

Just take a look at some of the most important points in her piece:

Ben Stein's new documentary "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" is a riveting expose of the intolerant academic community that systematically declares war on anyone or any institution [i.e. Seattle's Discovery Institute] that dares to question liberal Darwinian orthodoxy. "Correct speak" and "correct think" are de rigueur among scholars, who are expected to toe the line that "evolution" and "natural selection" are the be all and end all when it comes to deciphering the origins of mankind.

Thankfully, a few brave scholars have had the intestinal fortitude to challenge Darwinian theory, which cannot properly account for the creation of complex biological mechanisms. These academicians have underscored that the statistical odds are infinitesimal that human DNA could have emerged by evolutionary means as posited by Darwin. By raising the specter of "Intelligent Design", these renegade scholars have been subjected to terrible smears and utter ruination of their scientific careers. But should anyone be astonished? The modus operandi of the Leftist intelligentsia has always been to protect and perpetuate the big propaganda machine and destroy anyone at variance with dogma.

What is so great about this movie is the fact that Ben Stein interviewed the liberal elitists (a.k.a. the "modus operandi of the big propaganda machine") and they literally expose their own bias and hate-filled motives with their own words!

This is precisely why one of the biggest "stars" of the MOP Machine (Modus Operandi Propaganda machine), Richard Dawkins, is frothing at the mouth over how ridiculous he came off (again...using his own words!!!) in the movie!

Stein's research, interviews of people on both sides of the issue and final conclusion for why the political Left has such a virtual stranglehold on academia will astound you! I am telling you only so much so that you will go and see the movie and be stunned for yourself!!

Ben Stein figuratively MOPS the floor free of the propaganda machine's ostracization and then, meticulously exposes what many people have often thought about why there is no chance (excuse the pun!) for Intelligent Design to be given any platform in the academic world when liberal elitists run the show. "No debate allowed" is their mantra. Yet, when NO ONE in their political propaganda playground group could answer Ben's question, "How did life begin?" - they would rather believe that it somehow formed on the back of a crystal or that we were "seeded" by aliens from another universe. But mention that life (especially in biology and in the fine-tuning of the universe) appears to be designed; the liberal elitists scream "Creationism"! That's their excuse to keep any conversation about even the possibility of design being seen in biology off the table of discussion. Devine-Molin said it well:

"Correct speak" and "correct think" are de rigueur among scholars, who are expected to toe the line that "evolution" and "natural selection" are the be all and end all when it comes to deciphering the origins of mankind.

True signs of Marxist liberals!

Another part of the movie (discussed in the second half) is the irrefutable connection that Stein shows between Darwin's "survival of the fittest" mindset and how it influenced Hitler and the Nazis.

The truth of the matter is that when the Nazis perpetrated the Holocaust, they were indeed influenced by Darwin, eugenics and the concept of "natural selection" in efforts to create their "master race". At the very least, Darwinian theory provided the Nazis with the rationale to enact their heinous ethnic cleansing for the "greater good".

Ben Stein has provided his audience with incisive analysis -- The Nazis were dyed-in-the-wool atheists who fancied themselves as mini-gods poised to develop their man-made utopia. Part and parcel of that plan was to rid the gene pool of all so-called "undesirables" including the Jews, gypsies, handicapped and political dissenters.

Stein's visit to the "Eugenics" lab of Nazi Germany and the commentary offered by the woman explaining what happened there was so gut-wrenching. The audience was silent during that portion. We were all probably thinking the same thing. How could man's inhumanity towards man be so despicable? I'll tell you what triggered it (at least in this case). Darwinism's role in convincing people towards atheism.

The plight of Terri Schiavo came to mind. I thought about the priest who visited her and said that if he had attempted to cool her chapped lips with water from the vase of flowers at her bedside, he would have been arrested. This woman was court-ordered to starve and dehydrate to death. The "Eugenics" of Nazi Germany has become the liberal left's "euthanasia" clarion call of today. AWFUL!!!

The Holocaust scenes and discussion were reminders of the huge difference between insanity and evil. When Stein asked a person he was interviewing if Hitler was "insane," the man said no. He was an intelligent, ruthless leader who probably thought he was doing "good." But the fact is Hitler was evil.

[Update @ 10:40 a.m. PT: To view a movie clip that shows a portion of this subject (which is one of the most powerful and controversial parts of the film), go to
Forerunner.com]

The first thing that popped into my mind at that point was the American Holocaust of abortion. People who preach the mantra of "choice," are, in effect, promoting the evil of killing babies in the womb. People who believe in "choice" may think that they are doing "good" (just as Hitler may have thought when he murdered the Jews, Christians, gypsies, handicapped, political dissenters and all the rest of the "undesirables" on his killing list) but Jesus Christ and morality tells us otherwise.

Choose life. Your mother did!

Perhaps you are getting the distinct impression that Stein's film cuts at the heart of much of the liberal left agenda. This is true. It does. And, what's more, it does so in a very convincing way!!

Hard-core liberals won't budge. They will always believe what they want to believe. No right-wing, Bible-thumping, conservative Christian, pro-life, pro-traditional family person like myself who is busily typing out this most important information will ever change their worldview. However, it is my hope that moderate, on-the-fence types will finally see the bankruptcy of the rabidly liberal left's agenda and see that it's end point is always the same. The immorality of many of their political positions leads to death and destruction.

Devine-Molin concludes:

Ben Stein has provided his audience with incisive analysis -- The Nazis were dyed-in-the-wool atheists who fancied themselves as mini-gods poised to develop their man-made utopia. Part and parcel of that plan was to rid the gene pool of all so-called "undesirables" including the Jews, gypsies, handicapped and political dissenters. Darwinian theory, which takes God out of the equation in man's creation, facilitated an atmosphere that devalued human life in Nazi Germany. And let there be no mistake, the Nazis were not conservatives or right-wingers, but ardent socialists and fascists, as adeptly delineated by Jonah Goldberg in his bestseller, "Liberal Fascism", which chronicles the history of the political Left.

HT: GOP USA

Survivors of Abortion Holocaust

Forerunner.com

Obsession: Radical Islam's War & Nazi Germany Connection

Over in the American Liberals Just Don't Get It thread, my blogging friend Limpy said this:

"I don't really see any parallels between radical Islam and Nazi germany frankly."

If you would take the time to see the documentary Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West you would absolutely see the parallels between the two.

I just saw the entire documentary last night and they included video proof that the Mufti (can't recall his name) in Israel during the time of WWII shared Hitler's vision of extermination of the Jews!

As Walid Shoebat (former PLO terrorist turned born-again Christian) has stated, the fact that radical Islam wants to kill all infidels (not just Jews) and that their radical worldview tells us that they do so for religious reasons (for "allah") makes them even more dangerous than the Nazis who followed the lead of the Fuhrer.

There is definitely a connection, Limpy. It's just that most of the public doesn't know about it.

This CNN clip shows (among many other things) how the Muslim propaganda is very similar to the Nazi propaganda that duped young men into becoming Nazis. The Muslim youth go further. They are willing to strap bombs on and blow themselves up just to take as many "infidels" as possible in death. They celebrate death for allah over there.

Christians celebrate life through Jesus Christ here.

They hate us because their call in life is a worldview bent on promoting Jihad around the world.

You think that if we just pulled out the jihadists would leave Iraq alone?

Don't you see that if such a thing happened, it would demonstrate to the terrorists that the United States is weak, wants to cut-and-run when the going gets tough, and doesn't keep her promises to the new, fragile Iraqi government there?

I wish that I could find a transcript of the Obsession movie and share it on my blog. It is THE most important documentary of our time and EVERYONE needs to see it!

Here's a YouTube of about 9 minutes of the film.

The entire film is about 1 hour in length.

Admittedly, it may be hard for many to believe the connection between the Nazis and radical Islam unless they see the rare footage of the meetings between Hitler and the Mufti back in the 40's.

Wait! Just found a clip about it here:Hitler and the Mufti

Here's the Obsession website's 12 minute version.

Unfortunately, it is true that many Americans are losing their will to allow our government to send troops and continue the fight. If our government listens to the naysayers, the results will be a bloodbath in Iraq the likes that the world has never seen before. Iran and Syria will pounce upon that nation and take it over so that it will become a haven to recruit, train and finance radical Islamic terrorists into their hateful ideology. The children will continue to be brainwashed with the propaganda used by radical Islamic leaders (this is well depicted in the documentary...actual footage of it happening!!) and the cycle of violence will continue into the next generation!!

The U.S., Britain, and a few other countries have stood up against a takeover of Iraq by Islamo-facists over the past 4 years. Leaving now would be the WORST move.

At least I know that President Bush will not do that.

But, if a Democratic, liberal-left-cut-and-run candidate gets elected to the office of the presidency in 2008...

God help us!!

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Need more proof about the vital importance of seeing this documentary?

Go here and see all the links to reviews, TV commentary, radio info, print and blogs online about it!

From the Obsession website:

Video of Nonie Darwish and Wayne Kopping (Director of "Obsession"

Transcript of Hannity & Colmes segment

In both of the above, Nonie Darwish reveals the truth about the comparison of Nazi ideology and Islamo-fascism:

SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Hey, Nonie, it's Sean Hannity here. Your father had a fascinating life. He headed the Egyptian military in Gaza and the Sinai when Gaza was under Egyptian control in the '50s. He was killed in 1956 in jihad against Israel.

DARWISH: That's correct, and the cycle is still going on. The Fedayeen of yesterday are now becoming Hezbollah and all of these terror groups. And enough is enough. We moderate Arab voices, and you'll see in the movie several of us speaking against terrorism. The ayatollahs and the sheiks, the hateful, self-anointed sheiks who are condemning the Middle East to a permanent state of war, this condition has to end.

HANNITY: Well, I guess, if we're going to use an analogy, Nonie, for example, you could look at Hitler in his writing. You could look at Hitler in his actions. Hitler was battling against civilization. We see the exact same thing happening here.

I mean, you're showing real images from real Arab television, and it is a real insiders' view. You see the children, their indoctrination, their hatred of the West. It's like we are sitting — we've been lulled into a sleep when it's the rise of Nazism just before our eyes. Isn't there a similarity here?

DARWISH: Very much so. And I'm very happy that at least the film "Obsession" is showing that angle, because unfortunately the media doesn't get the translations of Arab television. What's happening in mosques, the hate speech, and the cursing of Jews, and non-Muslims, and Christians, we have to stand up to our religion and take it back from these hateful people.

HANNITY: You know something, I am glad to hear you say that, because the people that are being killed the most it seems right now are Muslims, are being killed by the Islamic fascists.

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Another video interview on Hannity & Colmes where the discussion leads to identifying Islamo-facism as a greater threat than Nazism

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Mancow radio show interview re: connection with Mufti in Israel and Hitler

American Liberals Just Don't Get It

This is an absolutely awesome essay!!

Christine

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Here is a post from a California lawyer that seems to present the "Big Picture," in just the right manner. This is something all Americans should read!!

A California Lawyer's Perspective on Iraq War:

Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat, and had sunk more than four hundred British ships in their convoys between England and America for food and war materials.

Bushido Japan had overrun most of Asia, beginning in 1928, killing millions of civilians throughout China, and impressing millions more as slave labor.

The U.S. was in an isolationist, pacifist, mood, and most Americans and Congress wanted nothing to do with the European war, or the Asian war.

Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 , and in outrage Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on Germany, which had not attacked us. It was a dicey thing. We had few allies.

France was not an ally, the Vichy government of France aligned with its German occupiers. Germany was not an ally, it was an enemy, and Hitler intended to set up a Thousand Year Reich in Europe. Japan was not an ally, it was intent on owning and controlling all of Asia Japan and Germany had long-term ideas of invading Canada and Mexico, and then the United States over the north and south borders, after they had settled control of Asia and Europe.

America's allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia, and Russia, and that was about it. There were no other countries of any size or military significance with the will and ability to contribute much or anything to the effort to defeat Hitler's Germany and Japan, and prevent the global dominance of Nazism. And we had to send millions of tons of arms, munitions, and war supplies to Russia, England, and the Canadians, Aussies, Irish, and Scots, because NONE of them could produce all they needed for themselves.

All of Europe, from Norway to Italy, except Russia in the east, was already under the Nazi heel.

America was not prepared for war. America had stood down most of its military after WWI and throughout the depression, at the outbreak of WWII there were army units training with broomsticks over their shoulders because they didn't have guns, and cars with "tank" painted on the doors because they didn't have tanks. And a big chunk of our navy had just been sunk and damaged at Pearl Harbor .

Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600 million in gold bullion in the Bank of England that was the property of Belgium and was given by Belgium to England to carry on the war when Belgium was overrun by Hitler - actually, Belgium surrendered one day, because it was unable to oppose the German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next day anyway just to prove they could. Britain had been holding out for two years already in the face of staggering shipping loses and the near-decimation of its air force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later and turning his attention to Russia, at a time when England was on the verge of collapse in the late summer of 1940.

Russia saved America's butt by putting up a desperate fight for two years until the U.S. got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany.

Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of Stalingrad and Moscow, 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a million soldiers. More than a million.

Had Russia surrendered, then, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire campaign against the Brits, then America, and the Nazis would have won that war.

Had Hitler not made that mistake and invaded England in 1940 or 1941, instead, there would have been no England for the U.S. and the Brits to use as a staging ground to prepare an assault on Nazi Europe, England would not have been able to run its North African campaign to help take a little pressure off Russia while America geared up for battle, and today Europe would very probably be run by the Nazis, the Third Reich, and, isolated and without any allies (not even the Brits), the U.S. would very probably have had to cede Asia to the Japanese, who were basically Nazis by another name then, and the world we live in today would be very different and much worse. I say this to illustrate that turning points in history are often dicey things. And we are at another one.

There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or wants and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world, unless they are prevented from doing so.

France, Germany, and Russia, have been selling them weapons technology at least as recently as 2002, as have North Korea, Syria, and Pakistan, paid for with billions of dollars Saddam Hussein skimmed from the "Oil For Food" program administered by the UN with the complicity of Kofi Annan and his son.

The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs - they believe that Islam, a radically conservative (definitely not liberal!) form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe, then the world, and that all who do not bow to Allah should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, purge the world of Jews. This is what they say.

There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East - for the most part not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation today, but it is not yet known which will win - the Inquisition, or the Reformation.

If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, and the OPEC oil, and the U.S., European, and Asian economies, the techno-industrial economies, will be at the mercy of OPEC - not an OPEC dominated by the well-educated and rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis.

You want gas in your car? You want heating oil next winter? You want jobs? You want the dollar to be worth anything? You better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.

If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims who believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, and live in peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th century into the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade away, and a moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge.

We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda, the Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do it somewhere. We cannot do it nowhere. And we cannot do it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for the battle now at the time and place of our choosing, in Iraq.

Not in New York, not in London, or Paris, or Berlin, but in Iraq, where we did and are doing two very important things.

(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11 or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades. Saddam is a terrorist.
Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, who is responsible for the deaths of probably more than a million Iraqis and two million Iranians.

(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism in Iraq. We have focused the battle. We are killing bad guys there and the ones we get there we won't have to get here, or anywhere else. We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed.

The European nations could have done this, but they didn't, and they won't. The so-called "Coalition Forces" are, in most cases, little more than a "Token Force" to keep face with the U.S. . And once attacked, like the train bombing in Madrid, they pull their forces and run for home. We now know that rather than opposing the rise of the Jihad, the French, Germans, and Russians were selling them arms - we have found more than a million tons of weapons and munitions in Iraq. If Iraq was not a threat to anyone, why did Saddam need a million tons of weapons? And Iraq was paying for French, German, and Russian arms with money skimmed from the U.N. Oil For Food Program (supervised by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan and his son) that was supposed to pay for food, medicine, and education, for Iraqi children.

World War II, the war with the German and Japanese Nazis, really began with a "whimper" in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It began with the Japanese invasion of China . It was a war for fourteen years before America joined it. It officially ended in 1945 - a 17 year war - and was followed by another decade of U.S. occupation in Germany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on their own again .... a 27 year war.

World War II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full year's GDP - adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion dollars, WWII cost America more than 400,000 killed in action, and nearly 100,000 still missing in action.

[The Iraq war has, so far, cost the US about $180 billion, which is roughly what 9/11 cost New York. It has also cost over 2,300 American lives, (Note: was the total when this was originally written) which is roughly 2/3 of the lives that the Jihad snuffed on 9/11.] But the cost of not fighting and winning WWII would have been unimaginably greater - a world now dominated by German and Japanese Nazism.

Americans have a short attention span, now, conditioned I suppose by 1 hour TV shows and 2-hour movies in which everything comes out okay.

The real world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain,and sometimes bloody and ugly. Always has been, and probably always will be.

If we do this thing in Iraq successfully, it is probable that the Reformation will ultimately prevail. Many Muslims in the Middle East hope it will. We will be there to support it. It has begun in some countries, Libya, for instance. And Dubai. And Saudi Arabia. If we fail, the Inquisition will probably prevail, and terrorism from Islam will be with us for all the foreseeable future, because the Inquisition, or Jihad, believes they are called by Allah to kill all the Infidels, and that death in Jihad is glorious.

The bottom line here is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away on its own. It will not go away if we ignore it.

If the U.S. can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq, then we have an " England" in the Middle East, a platform, from which we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East. The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates. The Iraq war is merely another battle in this ancient and never-ending war. And now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons. Unless we prevent them. Or somebody does.

The Iraq war is expensive, and uncertain, yes. But the consequences of not fighting it and winning it will be horrifically greater. We have four options -

1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.

2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as early as next year, if Iran 's progress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it is).

3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle East, now, in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in America.

4. Or we can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated France and Germany and maybe most of the rest of Europe. It will be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier then.

Yes, the Jihadis say that they look forward to an Islamic America. If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today.

We can be defeatist peace-activists as anti-war types seem to be, and concede, surrender, to the Jihad, or we can do whatever it takes to win this war against them.

The history of the world is the history of civilizational clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.

Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them. (bold mine)

In the 20th century, it was Western democracy vs. communism, and before that, Western democracy vs. Nazism, and before that, Western democracy vs. German Imperialism. Western democracy won, three times, but it wasn't cheap, fun, nice, easy, or quick. Indeed, the wars against German Imperialism (WWI), Nazi Imperialism (WWII), and communist imperialism (the 40-year Cold War that included the Vietnam Battle, commonly called the Vietnam War, but itself a major battle in a larger war) covered almost the entire century.

The first major war of the 21st Century is the war between Western Judeo/Christian Civilization and Wahhabi Islam. It may last a few more years, or most of this century. It will last until the Wahhabi branch of Islam fades away, or gives up its ambitions for regional and global dominance and Jihad, or until Western Civilization gives in to the Jihad.

Senator John Kerry, in the debates and almost daily, makes 3 scary claims:

1 We went to Iraq without enough troops.

We went with the troops the U.S. military wanted. We went with the troop levels General Tommy Franks asked for. We deposed Saddam in 30 days with light casualties, much lighter than we expected.

The real problem in Iraq is that we are trying to be nice - we are trying to fight a minority of the population that is Jihadi, and trying to avoid killing the large majority that is not. We could flatten Fallujah in minutes with a flight of B52s, or seconds with one nuclear cruise missile - but we don't. We're trying to do brain surgery, not amputate the patient's head. The Jihadis amputate heads.

2. We went to Iraq with too little planning.

This is a specious argument. It supposes that if we had just had "the right plan" the war would have been easy, cheap, quick, and clean.

That is not an option. It is a guerrilla war against a determined enemy, and no such war ever has been or ever will be easy, cheap, quick, and clean. This is not TV.

3. We proved ourselves incapable of governing and providing security.

This too is a specious argument. It was never our intention to govern and provide security. It was our intention from the beginning to do just enough to enable the Iraqis to develop a representative government and their own military and police forces to provide their own security, and that is happening. The U.S. and the Brits and other countries there have trained over 100,000 Iraqi police and military, now, and will have trained more than 200,000 by the end of next year. (Note: Totals are higher now.) We are in the process of transitioning operational control for security back to Iraq .

It will take time. It will not go with no hitches. This is not TV.

Remember, perspective is everything, and America 's schools teach too little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the young American mind.

The Cold war lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. Forty-two years. Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany .

World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation, and the US still has troops in Germany and Japan. World War II resulted in the death of more than 50 million people, maybe more than 100 million people, depending on which estimates you accept.

The U.S. has taken more than 2,000 KIA in Iraq in 3 years. The US took more than 4,000 Killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944, the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism. In WWII the U.S. averaged 2,000 KIA a week for four years. Most of the individual battles of WWII lost more Americans than the entire Iraq war has done so far.

But the stakes are at least as high . . . a world dominated by representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms; or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law).

I do not understand why the American Left does not grasp this. They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but evidently not for Iraqis. In America, absolutely, but nowhere else.

300,000 Iraqi bodies in mass graves in Iraq are not our problem. The U.S. population is about twelve times that of Iraq, so let's multiply 300,000 by twelve. What would you think if there were 3,600,000 American bodies in mass graves in America because of George Bush? Would you hope for another country to help liberate America?

"Peace Activists" always seem to demonstrate where it's safe, in America.

Why don't we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, North Korea, in the places in the world that really need peace activism the most?

The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc., but if the Jihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc. Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy.

If the Jihad wins, it is the death of Liberalism. Everywhere the Jihad wins, it is the death of Liberalism. And American Liberals just don't get it.

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Raymond S. Kraft is a writer and lawyer living in Northern California. Please consider passing along copies of this to students in high school, college and university as it contains information about the American past that is very meaningful TODAY - - history about America that very likely is completely unknown by them (and their instructors, too). By being denied the facts and truth of our history, they are at a decided disadvantage when it comes to reasoning and thinking through the issues of today. They are prime targets for misinformation campaigns beamed at enlisting them in causes and beliefs that are special interest agenda driven.

HT: My friend Bing via email.