Monday, September 02, 2013

Gay Manifesto: Establishing A Sodomite Despotism [Update]




Whew!!!  The author that I'm about to share with you calls his latest blog post, "The Homosexual Empire."  He describes the fact that the "Gay Manifesto" is deep in the throes of establishing a sodomite despotism here in the United States and elsewhere.
 

Don't believe this is true?


Well then take a look at what happened to a bakery business that wanted to hold onto their Christian religious beliefs and maintain the right to refuse service to a lesbian couple that were planning to marry!


KGW.com News: Gresham bakery that denied same-sex wedding cake closes



That lesbian couple could have found plenty of other bakery businesses that would gladly take their money and bake them a cake.  But no...they had to FORCE this particular bakery to either bake their cake OR BE FORCED TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS!  Any thinking person can see what the agenda is here.  Just as the bakery stated in the window when it closed:


"Religious Freedom Is Under Attack In Gresham"


This is only the beginning, folks!  Wait till you see what battles are in store for Christians as we fight against the radical
 homosexual agenda vs. our rights for religious freedom!

[Update:  It isn't only the Christian religion that is being attacked, it also included many in Judaism! 

See:


If any readers came along and read the accusations hurled at me [e.g. like "Jenny" did in comments here] because of my recent post entitled The Lie That Homosexual "Marriage" Is Acceptable to God;  then you will most likely be in for the shock of your life when you read The Homosexual Empire by Theodore Shoebat!


Excerpt:


They claim to desire safety for all, yet they desire to see us, the Christians, in fear and trepidation of them. The pastor is presently awaiting on the decision for whether or not he will be prosecuted. They keep telling us about their fear of having a “Christian nation,” when in reality they are striving to establish a sodomite despotism, why they are gradually making more and more powerful and conspicuous.


If they succeed, we will live under an outright Homosexual inquisition, and if they really had their way, they would build a homosexual empire. How do I know that this is true? Very simple, look into history and we will find the ultimate results of homosexuality.

We complain of the sodomite movement, but we must realize that we are heading toward a revival of an ancient utopia much more depraved than now, because in antiquity homosexuality was the norm, not only that, it was a part of religion and government.

In ancient Rome homosexuality was most common, it was not solely a preferable activity, but interconnected with the religion, the state, and the culture. Homosexuality was as ordinary as marriage, and more preferable, and the pagan Caesars themselves were open sodomites. Jupiter, or the tutelar god of the empire, was a homosexual deity who satisfied his lusts with the Trojan Ganymede, and another young man named Fabius. (1)

Because of the sodomite behavior of the gods, their worshippers would see no wrong in plunging deeper in their depravity and being homosexual themselves. Their mindset was, if the gods do it, then I could, and should, too
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It is no wonder, then, as to why when St. Paul gives his descriptive history of homosexuality, he recounts that they “changed the truth of God into a lie,” (Romans 1:25) before “God gave them up unto vile affections” and they turned to homosexuality (Romans 1:26-27).

The worship of this homosexual god was enforced by the state, and when Christianity came, it was the sodomite establishment that killed Christians for rejecting this reprobate god. A statue of Jupiter Phlilius was erected in Antioch by the famous wizard Theotecnus who, like Haman, told the emperor Maximinus that Jupiter demanded of him “to expel the Christians as his enemies, beyond the limits of the city and the adjacent territory.” (2)

This order began to be issued in all the cities of the empire, and even the subjects were told to purge the land of the Christians. The priests of the pagan gods were commissioned to orchestrate the persecution, and they did not hesitate to comply, for they wished to establish a universal utopia like Babel, in which all worship the gods as one.

When Antiochus invaded Judea he had erected an altar to Jupiter, and those who refused to burn incense to it were brutally executed. This homosexual tyranny is further made clear by the fact that before the conquest, the traitorous Jews, in wanting to integrate Israel with paganism, built a gymnasium, “according to the laws of the nations” (I Maccabees, 1:15). The gymnasium was inherently homosexual, with the exercisers being completely naked. (3)

The gymnasium was a place where the pagans would exalt the male body to not only partake in homosexual attraction, but to as well honor the pagan gods, (4) by whom homosexuality was justified. In Sparta, the gymnasium was institutionalized in the role of forcing recruited young Greek boys, by the age of twelve, into becoming homosexual warriors. The historian Plutarch writes:

By this age the boys came to be courted by lovers from among the respectable young men. The older men, too, showed even more interest, visiting the gymnasia frequently and being present when the boys fought and joked with one another. (5)

The sodomites agenda wants to see this same cruel tyranny established today, in order to build a homoerotic utopia where boys are recruited for a homosexual army, and the male body is exalted as the primal and pure physique of a warrior. Lets not forget what the Gay Manifesto says:

We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us. … We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.

The Spartans recruited boys into a militant homosexual system, and so today we find the sodomites gradually trying to extinguish parental rights in regards to sexuality, for the purpose of convincing children into becoming sodomites, and ultimately, recruit them for their movement. This is clearly seen in Chris Christie’s decision to ban all licensed therapists from treating homosexual children to bring them back to normality and the natural order. They want the state to sever the influence of parents from their children, and make the youths open to homosexual propaganda, and thus for recruitment.

 
Since it would be difficult for the sodomites to actively introduce children to homosexuality, they want parents to do this for them. One reprobate has made this recent statement:


“I have had intuitive thoughts that such would be a healthy way for parents to interact with their children and introduce their children to sensual/sexual pleasure and bonding and loving practices … Who better to do it, than the parents first?”


Homosexual acts were not only encouraged and common, but imposed in the pagan world. In Sparta, for example, if you were a handsome man of good character and did not have a male lover at all, you were fined. The ancient scholar Aelian explains:

And any man of good appearance and character who did not fall in love with someone well-bred was also fined, because despite his excellence he did not love anyone. (6)

The sodomites today want us to revert to the homosexuality of antiquity, and to force us to accept their ideology. This forced acceptance will only lead to forced participation in homosexual activities. This is why the Gay Manifesto states:

If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies. …The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence–will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants. All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated.

The exaltation of the male body was rooted in the pagan hatred for women, which was inherent in the Greco-Roman religion. Hesiod, one of the greatest prophets for the religion of the Roman empire, wrote that Zeus actually created women as a curse to men, a belief completely contrary to the civilized and beautiful Genesis account of Adam and Eve:

Both immortal gods and mortal men were seized with wonder when they saw that precipitous trap [woman], more than mankind can manage. For from her is descended the female sex, a great affliction to mortals as they dwell with their husbands–no fit partners for accursed Poverty, but only for Plenty. …even so as a bane for mortal men has high-thundering Zeus created women, conspirators causing difficulty. (7)

Homosexuality is rooted not in some fabricated condition, but in hatred toward women, that same hated which the devil harbors for the softer gender, for it was a woman–Mary–who gave birth to the Messiah. As God tells the devil in Genesis:

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (Genesis 3:15)

There is MUCH MORE!  Read it all HERE.




Hat tip: Walid Shoebat.com

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Update excerpt:


In other words, teens can only be helped to deal with their sexuality in ways the government approves of – that is, to be gay whether they want it or not.

Meanwhile, in an article in the Jerusalem Post, the ultra-Orthodox Jewish group Agudath Israel of America blasted the law, calling it a “trampling of personal rights, including religious and free speech rights.”

In a statement, the group said it is “deeply disappointed and saddened that the State of New Jersey now prohibits therapists from treating minors who have made a personal choice to seek help overcoming same-sex attraction,” according to the Jerusalem Post.

“The new law tramples on the rights of mental health therapists to engage freely in their profession, and it unfairly denies teenagers seeking therapy for issues that are troubling them the ability to obtain professional help.”

Christian organizations haven’t been entirely silent, however. The New Jersey law is being challenged in court by Liberty Counsel Action, an offshoot of the Moral Majority based in Orlando.

Liberty Counsel is challenging a similar law in California — the only other state to ban reparative therapy. On Thursday, a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court upheld the law, setting up a possible Supreme Court challenge.

In addition to being the most liberal circuit court in the country, the 9th Circuit is near the top of the list for most-reversed by the Supreme Court.


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As anyone can see, this is just more evidence of the gay manifesto and their evil intention of establishing a sodomite despotism!

17 comments:

Robert said...

A business does have the right to refuse service to anyone with the following exceptions under Federal Law: Race, Nationality, Sex, Religion and Color and Several States have added Sexual Orientation including Oregon. The owners of the Bakery broke Oregon State Law and have now paid the consequences. When you operate a business and provide a service to the public your beliefs are your own and you cannot force them on the public. They owned a Bakery, not a Church.

steve said...

I saw this story this morning somewhere. It's typical of homosexuals trying to force their perversion on regular people. It isn't good enough to have the tolerance they receive here in America but they want to flaunt their perversion for all to witness.

Christinewjc said...

Robert,

The business didn't break the law. Their objection was that they do not believe in same-sex marriage. It did not have to do with any INDIVIDUAL'S sexual orientation. The objection was for an event that was incongruent with their religious beliefs. If such a cake was asked to be baked for a threesome "wedding," would that qualify as a sexual orientation or would it be an event that opposes their religious beliefs? How about beastiality? Or a pornographic event? Hopefully, you get my point.

Heck - it used to be that service could be refused because someone wasn't wearing shoes, or a shirt!

The point is that this lesbian couple could have honored the religious wishes of the bakery owners and simply moved on to dozens of other bakeries to get their cake. But no, they had to PUNISH these Christians business owners because it is typical of the radical homosexual agenda to do so.

This article proves the point. The gay manifesto's purpose is to reject ANY tolerance for the religious beliefs of anyone, and therefore, they specifically target them with an unnecessary lawsuit and purpose to cause them pain, suffering, and loss of their business because of it.

I'd like to see this lesbian couple go to a bakery run by Muslims and pull the same crap. They would NEVER do that - it would be "politically incorrect." But moreover, they probably fear retribution. After all, homosexuals are HANGED in Arab nations because of their perversions.

Christians just want to be left alone and practice their faith without intolerance. But the sodomite despotism taking over in this country refuses to offer any type of tolerance. They are bullies and you know this to be true!

Christinewjc said...

Yes Steve. You make a great point and the article shows that it is even worse than just "flaunting their perversion." Through sodomite despotism, they bully Christians and don't even care. In fact, it's written in the "gay manifesto" that they PLANNED to do this all along!

Recall the article about the lesbian who made a speech and stated that once homosexual "marriage" is legal everywhere, their ultimate goal is to destroy the traditional family unit! You can't get any more honest about their true, evil intentions than that!

Now, I'm not saying that all homosexuals are doing this. Some of them just want to live and let live. I'm talking about the radicals who shove and push their perversions at everyone - including children as young as 6 years old in public schools - and they won't be satisfied until they eliminate the ability to read and study the Bible and make Christianity "illegal" to practice! That is their not-so-secret goal and mantra.

All we can do as Christians is fight back every step of the way. Many states [32? I think?] have had their populace VOTE to reject same-sex "marriage." Currently, CA is in a continuing fight over the Prop. 8 win in 2008 (62% of the vote - in liberal Ca!) - which simply stated that "marriage is the union of one man and one woman in the state of California." Rogue judges in black robes (how apropos!) make bad precedent when they dismiss the constitutional right of 6 million voters and declare that the proposition should not stand.

But you and I aren't surprised by any of this Steve!

Jesus told us that the signs of His imminent return would be unmistakable and are described: "as in the Days of Noah and in the Days of Lot."

Robert said...

WOW! You are spinning like Faux News. The did break the law.

"Their objection was that they do not believe in same-sex marriage. It did not have to do with any INDIVIDUAL'S sexual orientation"

Well what is same sex marriage if it doesn't have anything to do with the individuals sexual orientation. That's just nuts.

If you went into a bakery and asked to have a cake made for, say a confirmation. And the owners said they were Wiccan or Athiest, and wouldn't do the work because it was for an event that was incongruent with their religious beliefs, would you simply walk away? And what if the next bakery said the same thing? And the next? This sort of thing happened to black people all the time before the civil rights movement. Was that OK with you too.

These laws are in place to protect ALL of us from blatant discrimination.

"Through sodomite despotism, they bully Christians and don't even care"

Gays have been persecuted and bullied by the so-called Christians for centuries and I'll bet you didn't care about that either.

And now your claiming to be the victims?

Hypocrites!

Christinewjc said...

Robert,

I would not go to a wiccan or atheist bakery in the first place.

What you fail to understand in all of this is that the formerly oppressed (homosexuals) have now become the oppressors. Sexual orientation laws do not belong mixed in with marriage laws. Period. They can have their civil unions - or call it sodomy unions...I don't care!

I see that you didn't say anything against Muslims who would hang homosexuals in Arab countries. Hypocrite!

The truth is that immorality and Christianity do not mix. One will win out over the other. This "debate" we are having here proves this.

Tolerance is a one way street for people like you and the radical homosexual activists. Period. The persecution of the Christian bakers is evident in that the lesbians CHOSE to demonize them, report them, and punish them via a law that was improperly used in this case. Rather than saying, "I respect your religious beliefs about marriage being the union of one man and one woman - therefore, we will go to another bakery. Have a nice day!" they chose to target them, punish them and used a discrimination law to unjustly do so.

Seems that the concept of "choice" to liberals, homosexuals, and lesbians only exists in the abortion industry. However even the choice to be pro-life and "choose life - your mother did" is demonized by the leftist thugs!

All of these arguments can be summed up via the Bible:


Isa 5:20

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!


Isa 5:21

Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!


Isa 5:22

Woe to men mighty at drinking wine,
Woe to men valiant for mixing intoxicating drink,


Isa 5:23

Who justify the wicked for a bribe,
And take away justice from the righteous man!


Have a nice day!

Robert said...

Sorry but what you fail, or are unwilling to understand is that the discrimination laws are there for their protection as well as yours.

You say tolerance is a one way street for people like you and the radical homosexual activists. And where is your tolerance. I sure don't see it here!

That bakery is open to the public...that means everyone. You are not, by law, allowed to discriminate. Period. Or you suffer the consequences. Period.

GMpilot said...

“A sodomite despotism”? REALLY??

Although the news item doesn't state exactly what happened on Oregon, it also didn't report any vandalism, or threats, or violence. It just says the reporter went there later and found the shelves empty and the bakery closing down. This implies that the owner chose to move to a more gay-hostile neighborhood rather than allow his wares to be defiled by one of them.

He could have chosen to use the usual mercantile dodge against 'undesirables' by placing a sign in the window saying “We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone” and practice his bigotry that way. But whatever two women (or men) do in the privacy of their homes is none of his business, unless it's to commit robbery, or murder...or establish the Homosexual Empire by armed insurrection.
Meanwhile, Sweet Cakes is going to have a hard time proving that they were TARGETED in any way, except that the women wanted them, and no one else, to bake their cake.
Maybe they had an exclusive specialty that no other bakery had. Who knows?

No, the lesbian couple here isn't entirely free from blame. But it sure smells like “he said/she said”. They certainly didn't force Sweet Cakes to go out of business. In fact, they have not gone out of business. The article quoted the owners as announcing, “...we are moving our business to an in- home bakery.” It's known that in-home businesses aren't subject to all the same rules and restrictions a retail business is.
If he chooses to practice his freedom to discriminate in the privacy of his home, that's no one's business, either. The fact that they did choose to close, rather than rely on God and their right, hints that they knew they'd broken the law.

As for this 'homosexual empire' polemic...don't be silly. Even when gays had governmental power, the vast majority of the populace remained heterosexual. The authorities could neither decree everyone practice homosexuality, nor could they enforce it. It can't be done now, either. One thing that must be remembered about the Spartans is that if a man was not married by age thirty, he was forbidden to attend the annual festivals, and was often induced to leave the city. Spartans may have celebrated love between men, but they were also practical; they knew where future warriors came from!
I also seem to remember some Christian kings and clergy who were, shall we say, warped...and you don't really want me to bring up J. Edgar Hoover, do you?

This has been going on for eight months and is only now being talked about? Sounds like a lot of Sweet Nothings to me.

Christinewjc said...

Robert wrote:

"Sorry but what you fail, or are unwilling to understand is that the discrimination laws are there for their protection as well as yours."

Not always true. The fact remains that this Christian couples' personal rights, religious rights, and free speech rights MUST ALL BE trampled upon in order to uphold the so-called "right" of the lesbian couple.

God's laws trump laws made by man. I'm certain that God doesn't approve of the Supreme Court decision to allow the killing of babies in the womb. But sinful men and women participate is such abomination on a daily basis. If we applied your logic concerning discrimination in such a case, then it would be "unlawful" for individuals to be pro-life and speak out on their beliefs, religious convictions, and their own personal rights to uphold them.

Discrimination is not always a bad word. In fact, it is often necessary in order to avoid being forced to compromise one's faith, personal rights, and free speech rights as is the case here.

Christians are called to love God FIRST - with all our hearts and souls and mind (or might). Second, we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. Homosexual relationships are a sin and many books in the Bible tell us this. Therefore, in order to love God and His laws, we are to follow His admonition against such a sin as well as any other type of sin.

If the two women went into the store and ordered a cake for any other reason this issue would have been moot. Why? Because they probably would not have divulged their sexual orientation. There would have been no reason to do so. However, because they requested a cake for a gay "marriage," the owners were compelled to turn them down.

Look, you and your homosexual supporters got what they wanted. They forced a Christian couple out of their storefront business because they couldn't tolerate their religious beliefs, personal rights or free speech rights; which this couple wanted to uphold for the sake of their faith in Jesus Christ. You should be happy about that because you won out on this issue here on this earth. However, God will not be mocked, and whether or not you want to acknowledge this fact, it will be a different story for you and them in eternity.

Christinewjc said...

GM,

I saw a video clip on Fox News this morning that showed about 30 people protesting in front of their bakery, holding signs and shouting their hatred towards the owners. Such a gathering and display of scorn is evidence that this was a planned, personal attack - and verbal ambush against this Christian couple.

I'm glad that you stated that "No, the lesbian couple here isn't entirely free from blame." Can you tell me why you think that way?

About the "homosexual empire" article. Did you go to the link and read it all? I only included a small portion. History shows what happens when a particular ideology and mindset (in this case, homosexual behavior) is accepted as "normal." And, history has the habit of repeating itself; especially when it comes to the sins and reprobate mindset of man.

People who identify as gay "Christians" ARE warped - especially in their thinking! Jesus said that he came to save the sinner from the punishment in eternity for their sins. It take confession, repentance, and asking Christ into their hearts as Savior and Lord. With the help of Bible reading and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit of God, the life-long process of sanctification begins. Keeping the commandments after salvation doesn't save anyone. However, Jesus did say that he came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it. He also said, "If you love me, keep my commandments."

You can't use the mistakes of wayward Christians to make some goofy point, GM.

It is Christian believers who hold steadfast in the faith, like this particular couple did, who are the true members of the Kingdom of Christ. It would have been far easier for them to give in, and bake the stupid cake for the lesbian couple; rather than uphold their religious convictions and face the ire, scorn, and hatred of people like you and Robert and Jenny.

There will come a time when people will no longer be able to buy and sell, because of refusal of taking the mark of the beast. Looks like it will be here sooner than we think. The aberrant behavior laws are only just beginning to make that prophecy a reality today.

GMpilot said...

CJW: ”Such a gathering and display of scorn is evidence that this was a planned, personal attack - and verbal ambush against this Christian couple.”
Let's say this had happened fifty years ago, and the couple was not lesbian, but black. We know that in Genesis 9:20~27, Noah cursed his darker son Ham, condemning all his sons (descendants) to be slaves forever. It took mamy centuries, and a bloody civil war in this country, to change that mindset. We know that during all that time, at least half the Christian churches supported Noah's judgment. We know what that led to: Jim Crow laws, among many other horrific things.
There are many people still living who remember segregated eating places, schools, and theaters.
Now let us suppose this black couple wanted to buy an item at this particular shop, and the merchant refused because doing so would go against his religious beliefs. Would you support him? Suppose the merchant were Muslim, and the customers Christian. Would you still support him?

See, it's one thing not to carry an item because doing so conflicts with one's beliefs. It's another thing to carry an item and then refuse to sell it to someone wishing to buy it. This isn't a case of selling liquor to underage persons or a pistol to a convicted felon. I'm certain that Gawd didn't tell Sweet Cakes' owners “You may sell cakes to these and these, but not to those.”
God makes it crystal clear what you should do to gays...and you don't do it.
Or did that just apply to the ancient Hebrews in that one region of Asia?

”About the "homosexual empire" article. Did you go to the link and read it all? I only included a small portion.”
Yeah, I did. The author seems to have a better grasp of history than you do, but there's nowhere near anything like evidence for your fantasy Homosexual Empire. You can't use the actions of wayward Spartans and Roman emperors to make some goofy point, Christine.

”History shows what happens when a particular ideology and mindset (in this case, homosexual behavior) is accepted as "normal."
Like having imaginary friends in the sky, you mean? And having only certain people claiming to know what these friends say, and what they like, and what they want us to do?
History has the habit of repeating itself only because we don't listen to it. When people actually do listen, they write their own chapter in history, but that often takes a very, very long time.

(conclusion follows)

GMpilot said...

(concluding:)

CJW: ”...Jesus did say that he came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it. He also said, "If you love me, keep my commandments."
Then why aren't you, and the owners of Sweet Cakes, killing homosexuals, then? Especially since Jesus did not rescind that law? You've claimed before that after Jesus, no such law was necessary, but when I ask you to show me where that was said, you go all quiet. Like so many other Christians, you cite the rules you want to support, and ignore the rest. God doesn't tell you to pray for gays, or preach to them, and certainly not to try and convert them. He calls them abominations. He says to destroy them. I'm not taking anything out of context here; I can point to you exactly where he said that. Are you waiting for the Sodomite Despotism to establish itself before you carry out God's directive?

”I'm glad that you stated that "No, the lesbian couple here isn't entirely free from blame." Can you tell me why you think that way?”
Earlier, I said, “...Sweet Cakes is going to have a hard time proving that they were TARGETED in any way, except that the women wanted them, and no one else, to bake their cake.
Maybe they had an exclusive specialty that no other bakery had.
” Wasn't that enough?
Also, anyone with working synapses can see that it takes two to make a fight. One pushes, the other pushes back...you know how it goes.

”It is Christian believers who hold steadfast in the faith, like this particular couple did, who are the true members of the Kingdom of Christ.”
If that were true, Christian believers would go to a minister and/or heal each other when they got sick. If that were true, Christian magic would not have made Iron Dome technology necessary to protect Israel. If that were true, Sweet Cakes would not now be a home-centered business. I suspect it was the state ordinance more than anything that kept this couple from 'hold[ing] steadfast in the faith'.

Robert said...

"The fact remains that this Christian couples' personal rights, religious rights, and free speech rights MUST ALL BE trampled upon in order to uphold the so-called "right" of the lesbian couple."

Seriously, " the so-called rights of the lesbian couple". Seriously? This is the USA, their rights are just as valid as yours. Or do you, as a christian, get "special" rights?

I don't think so.

But then you think you're very special, don't you?

Christinewjc said...

Oh gosh...there is so much crazy rhetoric in your first paragraph that it's difficult to know where to begin.

You wrote, "Then why aren't you, and the owners of Sweet Cakes, killing homosexuals, then? Especially since Jesus did not rescind that law? You've claimed before that after Jesus, no such law was necessary, but when I ask you to show me where that was said, you go all quiet."

Your questions and accusations have been asked of me before and answered. YOU are the one who "goes all quiet" by ignoring my answers, and then you bring it up again at a later date pretending that you haven't been provided an answer.

Perhaps you need someone else to tell you. Let's try Pastor David Jeremiah:

First, he cites a passage in Hebrews.

For the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. Hebrews 7:19

He continues. Quote:

To understand the link between Law and Grace, remember that God is pure, perfect, holy, and righteous. We are not; but without a measuring stick we can't see how truly sinful we are. When God gave the Ten Commandments (which is the Law in its essence), He revealed His character in a way that allows us to measure ourselves by His holiness. Standing on tiptoe and trying to bee as tall as the Law can never save us. The Law simply shows our deficiency.

It also reveals our need for Grace. When Christ came, He perfectly fulfilled the Law; and when He died on the cross, He took our failures upon Himself and transferred His righteousness to our account.

There was nothing wrong with the Law; it simply defined sin. But it also prepared us for a better hope--the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ through whom we draw near to God. The Law was conditional, but Christ's redemption is unmerited, unconditional, final, and worthy of praise forever.


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Regarding the lesbians wanted THEIR cake...it was more like they wanted them to go out of business. They saw an opportunity to do so and went ahead and screamed "discrimination!" They could have easily stated that they understand their (the Christian couple's) point of view regarding marriage because of their Christian faith which they did not want to compromise. But no. The lesbians' "tolerance" is a one-way street and they decided to destroy the couple's storefront business because like screaming little children who don't get their way, they had to demonize them. Well...it fits. Satan likes to demonize Christians too. You can make your own conclusions.

You are flatly wrong when you wrote:

"I suspect it was the state ordinance more than anything that kept this couple from 'hold[ing] steadfast in the faith'."

They DID hold onto their faith while facing extreme duress and intolerance from the lesbians. The Christians would rather close their storefront business than to give in and bake two women who disrespect their religious beliefs. The lesbians can get their dopey cake elsewhere.

Christinewjc said...

Robert,

The fact is that the lesbians' secular rights trumped the Christians' religious rights, their personal rights, and their free speech rights. Why do you side with the lesbians?

If you read my latest post, perhaps you will figure it out.

Secular Idolatry of the "Coexist" Idea

Here's a preview and hint:

A "Coexist" message made up with differing religious symbols that attempts to combine religious beliefs (which, in some cases are polar opposites of each other) cannot portray an honest type of message.

When it comes to this particular subject matter, those who want to push the radical homosexual agenda on people simply think that tolerance is a one way street. Their intolerance towards those who hold to Biblical teachings, strong religious beliefs, personal rights, and free speech rights do not exist in their push to not only normalize homosexual behavior, same-sex marriage, and the teaching of homosexuality to kids as young as 6 years old in public schools; but they also use the term to purposely target and attack Christians.

Why?


I think that it is because they want to criminalize Christianity. It's at the point where they don't even try to hide their true intentions anymore! The evidence of their goal to criminalize the practice of the Christian faith is all over the place these days!

GMpilot said...

The closest thing to an answer to the gay-killing question is where Jeremiah says “When God gave the Ten Commandments (which is the Law in its essence), He revealed His character in a way that allows us to measure ourselves by His holiness...The Law was conditional, but Christ's redemption is unmerited, unconditional, final, and worthy of praise forever.”
But of course the sanction to kill gays is not part of the Big 10. There are something like six hundred other 'commandments' in the bible, mostly in the OT, and that is one of them. I have searched in vain to find the verse where God or Jesus says “By the way, you need no longer kill men who lie with men any more, for I hath forgiven them.” I also am quite sure that Jesus has not redeemed oysters and lobsters; they are still abominations.
I am willing to apologize if I'm shown to be wrong—I've done it here before—but no such verses exist. Please show me.

I don't give a rat's patootie (as steve would say) about what Satan likes to do to Christians. First, I don't believe he exists, either; second, hassling Christians is supposedly his Job.

”They DID hold onto their faith while facing extreme duress and intolerance from the lesbians. The Christians would rather close their storefront business than to give in and bake two women who disrespect their religious beliefs. The lesbians can get their dopey cake elsewhere.”

No, they didn't. They broke and ran by shutting down their store out of spite, forgetting the solemn promise that with Gawd, all things are possible. Wouldn't “keeping our store open” be among those?

It's not as though fanatical Christians haven't 'baked two women' before...they have a rich history of it, in fact.

Christinewjc said...

What you fail to recognize GM is that we ALL deserve the death penalty due to sin. Recall The Good Test? Merciful God has provided His Son as the Holy Substitute in our place, so that we can be reconciled back unto Him through faith, and grace is placed upon us through our belief in Christ.

When believers come before the Judgment Seat of Christ, we know that our sins are forgiven. It will be a matter of rewards based upon how we served Him in our lifetimes.

It will be a different story for non-believers at the Great White Throne Judgment.

Of course, it is your choice where you end up.

P.S. It might be wise for you to read a commentary before making a pronouncement that "two women were baked."

Excerpt:

Gen 38:24-30

Here is, I. Judah's rigour against Tamar, when he heard she was an adulteress. She was, in the eye of the law, Shelah's wife, and therefore her being with child by another was looked upon as an injury and reproach to Judah's family: Bring her forth therefore, says Judah, the master of the family, and let her be burnt; not burnt to death, but burnt in the cheek or forehead, stigmatized for a harlot. This seems probable, v. 24. Note, it is a common thing for men to be severe against those very sins in others in which yet they allow themselves; and so, in judging others, they condemn themselves, Rom. 2:1; 14:22. If he designed that she should be burnt to death, perhaps, under pretence of zeal against the sin, he was contriving how to get rid of his daughter-in-law, being loath to marry Shelah to her. Note, It is a common thing, but a very bad thing, to cover malice against men's persons with a show of zeal against their vices.

II. Judah's shame, when it was made to appear that he was the adulterer. She produced the ring and the bracelets in court, which justified the fathering of the child upon Judah, v. 25, 26. Note, The wickedness that has been most secretly committed, and most industriously concealed, yet sometimes is strangely brought to light, to the shame and confusion of those who have said, No eye sees. A bird of the air may carry the voice; however, there is a destroying day coming, when all will be laid open. Some of the Jewish writers observe that as Judah had said to his father, See, is this thy son's coat? (ch. 37:32) so it was now said to him, "See, are these thy signet and bracelets?' Judah, being convicted by his own conscience, 1. Confesses his sin: She has been more righteous than I. He owns that a perpetual mark of infamy should be fastened rather upon him, who had been so much accessory to it. Note, Those offenders ought to be treated with the greatest tenderness to whom we have any way given occasion of offending. If servants purloin, and their masters, by withholding from them what is due, tempt them to it, they ought to forgive them. 2. He never returned to it again: He knew her again no more. Note, Those do not truly repent of their sins that do not forsake them.

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Also, you might want to read THIS regarding your derogatory atatement on "imaginary beings."