Tuesday, May 06, 2008

Crescent of Betrayal Controversy

Some people have a mindset that is likened to the depiction of three monkeys of "see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil" fame.

Sometimes there is a fourth one that is missing, so the first three state (scroll down a bit at the link):





"We have a fourth brother, admit no evil, but he left the group for a career in politics!"



The radical left liberals typically tend to "admit no evil," yet, they often do not hesitate to speak evil against those with whom they disagree.

Case in point.

It appears that Mike Rucker disagrees with my post yesterday regarding the Flight 93 Memorial petition. Of course, it is his right to do so. However, when someone utilizes that liberal bastion of "political correctness" (a.k.a. the New York Times) to make one's point, be ready to receive much more accurate counterpoints.

Here's Mike's comment:






mike rucker said...

a different perspective here.

an excerpt:

Sandra Felt, whose husband, Edward, died on Flight 93, said she could not fathom why people continued to see Islamic symbolism in the design.

“The land speaks for itself,” she said. “It’s in the shape of an embrace.”

After initial complaints, the original design title, “Crescent of Embrace,” was changed to “Circle of Embrace.”

Trees were also added to the plans to encircle the site and not leave a gap that created a crescent.

s. Felt told board members on Saturday that she strongly disagreed with the sentiment of the design critics.

“Wow. Such hate. I’m shocked,” she said, her voice choked with emotion. “When you insult the place and inflame events, I want you to know you hurt us, too.”

this might say something as well:

Memorial officials say that Mr. Burnett, and his wife, Beverly, are the only family members of victims who have spoken out against the design.

unless someone investigates the memorial's designer, Murdoch, and finds that he's closet al-Qaeda, i think those of us not directly tied to the ones who died should do a little less judging and allow those closest to the catastrophe to lead the way. to think that they, among all people, would approve something that smacks of Islamic influence is naive at best, but more likely just plain cruel and self-serving.

mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa
mikerucker.wordpress.com


Why is it that liberals don't like to capitalize the first letter of the first word of a sentence?

I've got my own theory on that - but let's go back to the subject at hand.

Notice how the one woman describes Mr. Burnett's viewpoint as "hate," and she claims that she's "shocked." One can't miss the black-tar-bitter icing on her radical liberal cake when she states:



“When you insult the place and inflame events, I want you to know you hurt us, too.”
Lady...LOOK IN THE MIRROR...PLEASE!


It appears that Mike agrees with the woman because he states:


i think those of us not directly tied to the ones who died should do a little less judging and allow those closest to the catastrophe to lead the way. to think that they, among all people, would approve something that smacks of Islamic influence is naive at best, but more likely just plain cruel and self-serving.


So. Mike thinks that Mr. Burnett - whose son perished in the tragedy - should not express his judgment against the design? He wasn't "close enough to the tragedy" like Ms. Felt was? His views are "naive at best?" His views (as well as mine and the thousands who are signing the petition) are "just plain cruel and self-serving?"


Here is my response to Mike:





Of course there are differing opinions, Mike. No one is saying otherwise.

However, Mr. Burnett (and the thousands who are against the design and have signed the petition) have the right to be heard and to share their grievances.

The Islamic symbolism may not mean much to many non-religious Americans. After all, many people wear crosses as jewelry - without adhering to the true significance of the cross of Christ.

I ask you. If the memorial was in the shape of a cross, do you think that there might be objections from non-Christians?

People would be furious! Even though many Christians onboard that flight were responsible for preventing the plane from reaching the intended target (either the White House or U.S. Capitol.)

Also, it is a fact that symbolism is VERY important in the Islamic world. That one fact alone should make the designers change it from the current crescent shape.

And Mike, did you go to the links and read about the other objections to what is being planned for the memorial site?

If not, go here and discover that there is much more than just the crescent shape of the memorial.

What do you think of including 44 glass blocks along the memorial - one for each person who died - including the four terrorists?

Excerpt:

...a new book from World Ahead Publishing, Crescent of Betrayal, describes the many Islamic and terrorist memorializing elements in the winning Crescent of Embrace design for the Flight 93 Memorial. Most importantly, a person facing directly into the half mile wide central crescent (still present in the superficially altered Bowl of Embrace redesign) is facing almost exactly at Mecca. A crescent that Muslims face into to face Mecca is called a mihrab and is the central feature around which every mosque is built.

Author Alec Rawls started investigating the crescent site-plans after the winning design was unveiled in September 2005, and spent much of 2006 trying to get the Memorial Project to come to grip with his findings. Every element of the entire crescent design turns out to be a typical mosque feature, realized on the same epic scale as the half-mile wide central crescent. The minaret-like Tower of Voices part of the memorial turns out to be a gigantic Islamic prayer-time sundial. There are 44 memorial glass blocks emplaced along the flight path, exceeding the number of our murdered heroes by the number of their murderers. And on it goes, for over a hundred pages of Mr. Rawls’ 300 page exposé.

20 comments:

mike rucker said...

wow, a public flogging at talk wisdom. could this be my navin r. johnson moment, akin to "the new phone books are here! the new phone books are here!"? :)

a) i write in lower case because it is a cheap way to get attention. but i do it more because of how slick it looked on the album sleeve of pink floyd's "the final cut" - i just knew i had to copy it... roger waters is one of the many artists who have impacted me in significant ways.

b) christine, i hope you don't think i am opposed to ANYONE stating an opinion; i most certainly am not. what i am against is looking for Satan under every rock and making mountains out of molehills. go to the source: see who Murdoch is, see what drove his design, let him speak to the accusations. but don't just make it another witch hunt where we've already rendered our verdict. i will get a copy of Rawls' book and read it. with an open mind. kinda. sorta.

c) if you're going to give airtime to this opinion (Rawls'), are you prepared to present and defend all the other 9/11 conspiracy theories and their books and films, etc.?

you and i know that truth is hard to find these days, and it's why we want to have something like a revelation from God to which we anchor our ships when all else fails.

simply put, everyone writing a book has an agenda. some are valid, some are not. if Mr. Rawls' can prove where Mr. Murdoch hooked up with Muslimangelo to do this despicable, underhanded thing - "whilst no one was watching" - fine.

otherwise it's just another wall to erect, with everyone winding up on one side or the other, never to remember anymore...

i am not your enemy, christine. i am just someone who plays Devil's Advocate or Thomas Paine among the things you offer for consumption. i have no agenda other than making sure sweeping generalities and dymo labels get pulled into the sunlight for closer examination.

you're the "shoot first" piece; i'm "ask questions later." :) each side needs the other.

thanks for playing. don't forget your parting gifts...

mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa
mikerucker.wordpress.com

sh007r said...

I am stunned that anyone would allow this to continue another minute.
The very islamic symbol that created the terrorist rich 'religion' of death is being made into a memorial on SACRED US SOIL. Mo the moon god rests in PA?
Memorializing what? Whom? Maybe we should allow a swastika as well?

"Lets roll" it OUT and HONOR the Americans, the innocents, not the terrorists that came to kill us.

This looks like pure evil to me.
Redo the memorial.

Christinewjc said...

Mike wrote: "wow, a public flogging at talk wisdom."/snip

If the shoe fits...

Mike: "i write in lower case because it is a cheap way to get attention."

Uh huh...just as I thought!

Mike, do you even consider that it does not ONLY matter whether or not Murdock's design was intentional? The fact that it most definitely lines up with so much Islamic symbolism DOES MATTER.

This doesn't rank with the "other 9/11 conspiracy theories." They are, specifically, about the details of that day and whether or not our government had something to do with it.

This subject has to do with a memorial for the victims who were on board Flight 93.

How glaringly noticable it is that you didn't bother to answer any of my questions. For your convenience, I'll post them again:

1. Mike thinks that Mr. Burnett - whose son perished in the tragedy - should not express his judgment against the design?

2. He (Mr. Burnett) wasn't "close enough to the tragedy" like Ms. Felt was?

3. Do you agree that his views are "naive at best?"

4. Do you contend that his views (as well as mine and the thousands who are signing the petition) are, as Ms. Felt claimed, "just plain cruel and self-serving?"

5. If the memorial was in the shape of a cross, do you think that there might be objections from non-Christians?

6. And Mike, did you go to the links and read about the other objections to what is being planned for the memorial site? You don't necessarily need to wait to read the book. There are several mentioned on that page.

7. What do you think of including 44 glass blocks along the memorial - representing one for each person who died - including the four terrorists? Do you think THAT is appropriate?

Lastly, you may think that this subject is just a game - but I sure don't!

GMpilot said...

I'd prefer the real monument to those aboard Flight 93: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Somerset_(LPD-25) .

Christinewjc said...

Thank you, shOO7r. I was beginning to wonder whether or not anyone out there in blogland felt as strongly about this issue as I do!

After reading more about this controversy, I now find it hard to believe that the design wasn't purposely shaped like the Islamic crescent. The fact that it was originally named the "'Crescent' of Embrace" is highly suspect.

Note what is said at Error Theory blog:

From the crescent and star likeness, they cut to Tom Burnett, asking what people would think if a memorial were laid out in the shape of a swastika. If viewers hadn't just seen the crescent and star likeness, that statement could be made to sound crazy, but Fox does right by Tom, giving viewers the information they need to see the reasonableness of the comparison. Many thanks to Fox for getting this right.

Fox has a lot more information at their disposal. They had a television crew at the Somerset County Courthouse yesterday where Colonel Harry Beam laid out a precise and devastating exposé of Islamic and terrorist memorializing design features, and they were sent extensive fact checking materials. None of this gets into their present reporting, but if they use it for an investigative feature, they can knock the crescent memorial out for good.


UPDATE II: Avid Editor found another completely different Fox News segment on Red Lasso. This one is even better, mentioning the Mecca orientation of the giant crescent!


LOTS more at that blog - including Tom Tancredo's objections and efforts to change the memorial.

Christinewjc said...

Thank you GM!! I wasn't aware of that naval ship being named Somerset in honor of the passengers on Flight 93.

The link you provided didn't work for some reason, but I found it at this link:

USS Somerset - a San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock, is the fifth ship of the United States Navy of that name, in honor of Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

The name Somerset honors the passengers of United Airlines Flight 93 whose actions prevented the terrorist hijackers from reaching their destination, forcing the airplane to crash near Shanksville in Somerset County, PA on September 11, 2001. In the words of Secretary of the Navy Gordon England, "The courage and heroism of the people aboard the flight will never be forgotten and USS Somerset will leave a legacy that will never be forgotten by those wishing to do harm to this country."

Anonymous said...

Yank this disgraceful "tribute."

Representing the Islamic murderers among the glass blocks reminds me of the PC Moonbats who included the Va. Tech murderer as one of the "victims."
-Bill Sikes

Christinewjc said...

Take a hard look at THIS comment that I found today at DIGG:

caoilfhionn on 05/07/2008

The design is for the biggest mosque in North America by a factor of 100. One of the Islamic Scholars they're using to make excuses for the design is R. Kevin Jaques, from the University of Indiana, who wrote a paper saying our response to 9/11 should be - submit to sharia law. He says the reason we shouldn't be concerned is that the mihrab -which is what the giant crescent is -when you face into it, you are facing mecca - nobody has seen a mihrab this big before. A mihrab is the central feature of every mosque!

Hey Mike...what do you have to say about it now???

mike rucker said...

christine, my response is what it's always been.

please tell me you do not really believe that this went through what were likely multiple presentations to committees both local and national and also to the families involved, and somehow all of the "secret handshakes" and wink-wink's went unnoticed.

and please tell me that you don't believe that not one single politician - IN THIS ELECTION YEAR - hasn't wrapped himself in a flag and tried to score points on this.

c'mon; stop typing and take a few moments and try to envision what this all looked like when it played out in real time, and not between the pages of chicken little's everybody's-writing-a-book-these-days rant.

there was a lot of debate over what was going to be done at the WTC site; i am almost certain that similar attention to detail was done here, attention that resulted in only one family raising all these objections.

if, in fact, all of this happened as a part of some kind of grand orchestration while we were sleeping, then i'd have to say Allah is a lot more in control of things than we gave him credit for...

better tell Yahweh there's a new Sheriff in town.

mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa
mikerucker.wordpress.com

Anonymous said...

Mike makes a good point, there is probably nothing to this controversy except some political demagoguery to score points in an election year.

I mean, so what if the designer called his tribute to those Americans murdered by Islamic Nazis the "Crescent of Embrace"? He probably just forgot that Islam's symbol is a big crescent! Simple explanation!

And the claims that the designer represented Islamic murderers among the victims with their very own glass blocks is also easily explained: he just miscounted! See, very innocent.

Yes, Mike is totally right-on here. Just like when he uses Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as his source for facts about the Holocaust. Totally logical and nothing to be worried about.

mike rucker said...

anonymous, does your mother know you're messing with the computer again?

there ain't a single thing in your infantile comment that came out of my mouth - uh, through my fingers...

nice try, spinhead.

:)

mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa
mikerucker.wordpress.com

Christinewjc said...

Spinhead? A slur being hurled by Talk Wisdom's current master of spin?? - (a.k.a ignore the questions man!)

Oh...that reminds me. Just heard the spin cycle alert on the washer end...

[Mike Rucker's ongoing legacy: The spin STARTS here!] heh heh

mike rucker said...

me?! master of spin?!?!

i'm not sure whether i should just go ahead and die laughing or call in professional help for you two...

einstein's theory of relativity must apply here, somehow - just like a person traveling at the speed of light sees a fellow traveller standing still, you whirling dervishes obviously see everything you type as - how could i have missed it - absolute truth.

i'm absolutely speechless ... uh, keystrokeless...

mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa
mikerucker.wordpress.com

Christinewjc said...

Mike, you make me laugh!

This is like deja vu. Seems I went through a "spin" cycle of comments with GMPilot in the past. Ended up posting all the "spin" lyrics from several songs...you know...those oldies but goodies.

Let's see...some of the lyrics from Spinning Wheel by Blood, Sweat & Tears:

What goes up must come down
spinning wheel got to go round
Talking about your troubles it's a crying sin
Ride a painted pony
Let the spinning wheel spin...


Yep Mike...keep ridin' that painted pony! Must be one of those 60's retro psychedelic, multi-colored ones...

Ha!

Christinewjc said...

I loved that album when I was growing up!

Spinning Wheel

Sometimes in Winter is there too!! Haven't heard that song in years! A bit sad, but the lyrics are so poetic! Love it!

[apologies for getting so off topic!]

It's Mikes fault! ;-)

Christinewjc said...

Back to the topic. Big Dog's new post:

Don't Take Flight 93 to Mecca

Excerpt:

The American people caught a hijacker trying to re-hijack Flight 93, and the Memorial Project told him to go back outside and try again, which is exactly what he did. Now they accuse Tom Burnett of wanting an improper do-over?

There were dozens of articles and television segments about the crescent controversy this week, mostly in Pennsylvania, with some national news coverage by Fox News television and AP. This post is an attempt to capture the general thrust of the new wave of position statements.

The Memorial Project is inverting every moral imperative at this point, and it all comes from their fervent desire to reverse the results of September 2005. Their embrace of the crescent was rejected by America and they are determined to undo that defeat, to the point of being willfully blind to massive evidence of al Qaeda sympathizing intent.


A commenter named Charles raised this important point:

"Not everything should be done democratically. If whoever voted on this were a jury, Mr. Burnett would have hung them and forced everyone to look over the evidence once again."

Anonymous said...

anonymous, does your mother know you're messing with the computer again?
Good one, Mike. No, really.


there ain't a single thing in your infantile comment that came out of my mouth...
Um, really? So when I read this from you:
and please tell me that you don't believe that not one single politician - IN THIS ELECTION YEAR - hasn't wrapped himself in a flag and tried to score points on this, and I said you made a good point...you didn't actually say what you just said?
Er, okay.

Mike, Mike, Mike, what are we gonna do with you?
This is why liberals generally have to resort to name-calling. It's much easier than keeping straight all the other things they've said, and trying to construct a defensible argument.
-Bill Sikes

sh007r said...

There is much more on the Flight 93 ...memorial? (I can't even call it that I'm so embarrassed and infuriated.)
Take a look at these thoughts/comments.
http://michellemalkin.com/category/memorials/flight-93/

sh007r said...

OH,
and GOD BLESS YOU Christinewjc
for posting this.
The good people of the US of A needs to know and see this.

Muslims Against Sharia said...

In 2001 Islamofascist terrorists hijacked Flight 93 murdering 40 people on board. There were no Islamic people on that flight. There were Islamofascist terrorists. What possible reason could be there for including anything Islamic or anything even resembling an Islamic symbol into Flight 93 Memorial? Inclusion of Islamic symbols memorializes murderers who brought down the plane and is tantamount to spitting in the faces of victims and their families. United Airlines Flight 93 was hijacked in 2001. Let's not allow hijacking of Flight 93 Memorial in 2008. We, as Americans, owe it to the heroes of Flight 93!

http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2001/09/2001-hijacking-of-flight-93-2008.html