Friday, April 15, 2011

WHY vs WHY Gay Marriage

The day that my husband and I went to our daughter's high school (back in 2003) to express our concern over a gay/straight club that was forming at the school, we knew that the homosexual legal agenda would only get worse and worse. We were absolutely correct!

Read and weep - dear Christian parents - about what is being taught to children as young as 6 years old in public schools in California.

Within the next few days, I am going to share my thoughts and opinions about an excellent resource where parents can come right out (pardon the pun) and combat the intense homosexual indoctrination that is going on in public schools.

Your teen aged children (especially here in California) have probably already been so indoctrinated to think that homosexuality is "normal," "natural," and not sinful. The Bible tells us otherwise and our churches are trying to combat the onslaught with the truth about such abhorrent behavior.  However, it also helps (IMHO) to encourage children to read and study BOTH sides of the issue so that they can feel empowered to make up their own minds on the issue.  Some may not budge because they are too indoctrinated, but many may change there minds when they read the facts from those on the pro- one man, one woman marriage issue that are NOT being taught in the public schools.

The resource that I am referring to is a book written by Christian Internet author and blog writer Bill Muehlenberg and his secular co-author and gay activist, Rodney Croome.  It is called Why vs. Why Gay Marriage and presents both arguments regarding the gay marriage issue.  Bill's blog is called Culture Watch. At that site, Bill has years worth of excellent information that anyone can utilize in the ongoing battle between good and evil. His essays are chock full of important evaluations on many subjects regarding Christian faith and values vs. secular humanism and depravity. I highly recommend his blog and the book Why vs. Why Gay Marriage. If your child has been indoctrinated by the radical homosexual agenda, reading that book will give him/her the REAL story behind how, and why, he/she has been duped into believing man's "wisdom" that such behavior is "good." He/she may even discover that the timeless wisdom of God Almighty trumps man's thoughts EVERY TIME.

What is interesting is that the co-author, Rodney Croome (pro gay marriage) brings up "religion" in his argument and Bill just blows that argument right out of the water with his excellent rebuttal!

You can get a copy of the book at

The following is a copy of an email that I received from Randy Thomasson, President of Please take the time to read it all and visit the links within the text. If you are not appalled by learning about al the seven radical homosexual indoctrination bills that have been passed by the Democratic-led state legislature here in California, then you must have been brain-dirtied by all of the propaganda that the activists are spewing that goes entirely against what God's Holy Word in the Bible teaches against the BEHAVIOR of homosexual acts - which God's Word specifically says are to be avoided.

Next, get a copy of Why vs. Why Gay Marriage to arm yourself with the powerful and POSITIVE arguments that Bill Muehlenberg has shared in that book to counter co-author Rodney Croome's indoctrination arguments.

In Christ's Service,


Randy's email:


California Senate mandates homosexual role models for schoolchildren
Thomasson: "Parents don't want and children don't need 'LGBTIQ' role models"
Sacramento, California – With today's passage by the Democrat-controlled California State Senate of "lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans" as mandatory role models for children as young as kindergarten,, a leading West Coast pro-family, pro-child organization is calling upon California parents to permanently remove their children from the government school system.

Today, the California Senate, on a 23 to 14 vote -- Democrats for, Republicans against -- approved what would be the 7th school sexual indoctrination law teaching children to view homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality as a good and natural lifestyle option. The vote comes the day before the disruptive "Day of Silence" in public schools, sponsored by the "Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network," which is urging parents to counter-protest by keeping their kids home this Friday.

SB 48 would mandate that history and social studies textbooks and instructional materials teach children to admire "lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans" as role models. The proponents of the bill seem to have forgotten there are already six statewide school sexual indoctrination laws affirming homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality.

"This clear and present danger should motivate fathers and mothers to rescue their children from California government schools and take them to the safe havens of solid church schools and homeschooling," said Randy Thomasson, president of "Parents don't want and children don't need 'LGBTIQ' role models in school, SB 48 is sexual brainwashing in the extreme. It's damaging and nonacademic to teach children a lie -- that homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality are natural and healthy lifestyles, when they’re not."

(Sources: NARTH: "Is There A 'Gay Gene?'"; American College of Pediatricians: "Health Risks of the Homosexual Lifestyle")

"SB 48 micromanages public schools by forcing teachers, administrators, local school boards, textbooks, and instructional materials to promote a gaggle of sexual lifestyles that disturb parents and confuse kids," Thomasson said. "This state mandate targets children for sexual brainwashing, behind the backs of parents, teaching boys and girls to admire those who engage in unnatural and unhealthy homosexual, bisexual, and transsexual behavior."

If SB 48 becomes law:

1. Textbooks and instructional materials must positively promote "lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans" as "role" models.

2. Children as young as 6 years old will be taught to admire homosexuality, same-sex "marriages," bisexuality, and transsexuality (sex-change operations).

3. Children will be taught to support the political activism of "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex and Questioning" (LGBTIQ) political groups, as the bill requires "particular emphasis on portraying the role of these groups in contemporary society."

4. Teachers will be made to positively portray homosexuality, same-sex "marriages," bisexuality, and transsexuality (sex-changes operations), because to be silent can bring the charge of "reflecting adversely."

5. School boards will be required to select textbooks and other instructional materials that positively portray sex-change operations, same-sex "marriages," and more, because to be silent on these subjects opens them up to charges of "reflecting adversely."

6. Parents will not be notified, nor will they be able to exempt their children, from this new core curriculum.

"California government schools are no longer morally safe for impressionable children," Thomasson said. "Because of the raft of sexual indoctrination laws already in force, which promote homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality under the guise of 'discrimination' and 'harassment,' the social engineers are already having their way with more than six million boys and girls, with or without SB 48. That's why we strongly urge loving parents to rescue their children by permanently removing them from government schools and placing them in the safe havens of church schools or homeschooling." (Source:

"We call on Governor Jerry Brown to have compassion, to respect parents, and to remember when public schools used to be good and didn't push sexual indoctrination," Thomasson said. "Now public schools aren't so good, yet homosexual activists are pushing their non-academic agenda without regard to parents or logic or the best interests of children. Governor Brown should prepare to veto this bad bill, which greatly disturbs parents, confuses kids, and flushes public schools farther down the toilet."

-- end --
Randy Thomasson, President
P.O. Box 511, Sacramento, CA 95812
(916) 265-5650 is a leading West Coast nonprofit, nonpartisan organization standing strong for moral virtues for the common good. We represent children and families in the areas of marriage and family, parental rights, the sanctity of human life, religious freedom, financial freedom, and back-to-basics education.

Hat tips to all links.
Special thanks to Bill Muehlenberg for telling me about his excellent book, Why vs. Why Gay Marriage.


Susan Smith said...


Thank you for this post. Having practiced lesbianism for more than 20 years, and after being delivered from the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality solely by the GRACE of GOD, I understand where you are coming from. I appreciate all who speak truth with grace.

I was never an abomination in the eyes of God as a human being created in the image of God; however, the practice of homosexuality is sexual immorality in the eyes of the Holy One of Israel. The sin of homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God in heaven and on earth.

We are saved by GRACE alone… not by condemnation and judgment. I thank God for the believers who walk in the grace of God, and who are able to love those who are in bondage to the sin of homosexuality.

Not long ago, I told my supervision class in clinical counseling that I am more heterosexual now than ever before in my life. I was not born a homosexual. God created us male and female. I was deceived for more than 20 years by a lie.

I thank God for believers who have loved me and who support me today as I continue to heal from childhood, adolescent, and adult wounds of sexual, physical and emotional abuse. Jesus had scars after he rose from the dead, so do believers.

Thank you for speaking truth, Christine. You and your readers are loved dearly! (ss)

Christinewjc said...

Thank you for your gracious comment, Susan.

Too often those who are still trapped in the behavior of homosexuality (and those who support such behavior) view what I write as harsh, unloving, homophobic etc. and they condemn writers of the truth and call them every vulgar name you could think of.

The way I see it is that we Christians want them to see that ANY sin can be forgiven through the grace and mercy of our loving God. The cross of Jesus Christ is the bridge between sinful man and Holy God that "takes away the sins of the world" and reconciles us back to God. Without the shed blood of Christ at the cross for the remission of sins, there is no salvation - no hope - for us!

Knowing all that you had endured over the years breaks my heart. But now, my heart rejoices along with you for your miraculous release from all of that you have suffered. You have become a great beacon of truth that points others in the direction of Jesus Christ - the light of our salvation! The absolute truth is that He is the ONLY ONE who can save us from our sin dilemma! Praise God for our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!

I love how you put it when you stated that 'no person is an abomination in the eyes of God' - but the sinful acts that we do are an abomination. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Therefore, there is no one that is "good." Only God is good and through Christ's sacrificial death on the cross, God gives us mercy to withhold what we would deserve (hell) and grace to give us what we don't deserve (heaven). Do you recall the "good" test that I have a link to on my Angels Helper website?

It is only when we realize that we cannot save ourselves from the punishment we deserve for our own sins that we can come to repentance in Christ and be saved - because of His Holiness and Righteousness!

God bless you this day, Susan. I just finished reading your email newsletter and it was awesome!

Love in Him,

NE said...

Ready for a tongue twister?

The Facts About Youth website you cite as evidence is unfortunately not factual according to the researchers Facts About Youth credits for supplying their facts.

"Francis S. Collins, Director of the National Institutes of Health, made the following statement regarding the American College of Pediatricians on April 15, 2010: 'It is disturbing for me to see special interest groups distort my scientific observations to make a point against homosexuality. The American College of Pediatricians pulled language out of context from a book I wrote in 2006 to support an ideology that can cause unnecessary anguish and encourage prejudice. The information they present is misleading and incorrect, and it is particularly troubling that they are distributing it in a way that will confuse school children and their parents.' Other researchers who found that Facts About Youth misrepresented their work include Warren Throckmorton and Gary Remafedi."

Susan Smith said...

Hi again Christine,

Thought you or your readers might be interested in a scientific study published in 2007 by Stanton L. Jones (Ph.D., Arizona State University) and Mark A. Yarhouse (Psy.D.). I used their book for one of my research papers in my clinical counseling program.

The book’s title is “Ex-gays?” It is a longitudinal study of religiously mediated change in sexual orientation. It is a study that focuses on the work of Exodus International.

Warren Throckmorton, Associate Professor of Psychology and Fellow for Psychology and Public Policy, Grove City College, and coauthor of the Sexual Identity Therapy Framework wrote this comment found on the back cover of the book by Jones and Yarhouse:

“This study is a groundbreaking classic—scientific erudite and clearly presented. It shares irrefutable data gained over time that serve to explode arguments based on ideology and anecdotes. Its irenic and thoughtful discussion invites an open forum where scientific evidence and rational thinking are allowed to dominate discussion of the subject.”

Also, Rogers H. Wright, Ph.D., Fellow and past President of Divisions 12 and 31 of the American Psychological Association, Founding President, Council for the Advancement of the Psychological Professions and Sciences, Diplomat in Clinical Psychology, American Board of professional Psychology said this about the study done by Jones and Yarhouse:

“Your carefully executed research demands a substantial and credible reexamination of current, politically driven, politically correct dogma that homosexual orientation is immutable and that therapeutic address thereof threatens patient well-being. In a best-case scenario, your research might even persuade the organized mental health movement to return to almost forgotten principles that it is the patient’s right to choose, and that the patient has the capacity to do so.”

Shabbat Shalom to my friend on the West coast and all your readers. (ss)

Christinewjc said...

Thanks so much for sharing that information Susan. It just goes to show that the quote shared by NE in this comment thread is another example of the "current, politically driven, politically correct dogma" that "threatens patient well-being."

Why is it that when a celebrity like Meredith Baxter "comes out" as a lesbian, the public celebrates her decision? Yet, when someone like Susan Smith reveals that she has left the behavior and orientation through the power of the Holy Spirit through being born again in Jesus Christ, she is questioned and often not accepted by those who doubt the power of Christ's redemption?

Human nature wants to label one choice as a "good thing" yet discard a person's subsequent reorientation away from unwanted homosexual behavior as a bad thing?

The quotes you shared tells us exactly why this is so.

Their side of the story is based on their own biases and ignore the scientific (and, more importantly, the spiritual aspects) proof that change is possible. And you, dear Susan, are living proof!!

Anonymous said...

Hi Christine -- great post and thanks for getting involved! I knew back in 2003 that things would continue to get worse, and here we are. I remember predicting that they would be teaching this to 6 yr. olds and people thought that couldn't happen. Wish I hadn't been right!

TherapistInOrangeCounty said...

Oh dear. How many "sacred bonds between man and woman" that have been formed in a christian church end happily these days? If you read your bible you know it is "until death ladidaa". Please step down from your high horse and focus on what goes on in your own bedroom rather than the neighbour's and the world might actually be a happier place.
therapist in orange county

Christocentric said...

Therapist, you didn't complete the full context of the "until death" part of marriage. Jesus made it clear that He spoke of marriage between a man and woman that must be unto death:

3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:3-6

Jesus pointed to what God has done from the beginning and that was joining a MAN and a WOMAN. Jesus made it clear here what type of relationship was to last "until death" and it doesn't include same sex marriage. In fact Jesus commanded for man to separate what God has joined! Divorce is forbidden except when immorality is involved but we must not ignore what type of marriage that Jesus is speaking of here as well.

And as far as focusing what's in our own bedroom? That would be much easier if the gay agenda hadn't been made so public. Our kids schools, our workplace and everyday lifestyles are being challenged to ACCEPT homosexuality. No longer is the LGBT content with us just disagreeing with their lifestyles, now we must accept it as normal which many of us never will.

Gay marriage is the push button of full acceptance. By allowing gay marriage means that those of us who disagree with it are now going to be illegally discriminating. That's the big fuss of it all! That's why it's no longer about something being so private and behind closed doors but very much public. It's now a fight for acceptance and legitimacy and hitting the nation head-on.

Susan Smith said...


I love it when your readers all over the world SPEAK TRUTH!

Love to you and all your readers from the east to the west. ~ Susan Smith