Monday, January 19, 2009

Bush's Man Obama Has Won??

I have been doing a lot of thinking lately. Heh heh...I just have to chuckle at my own first line. When I start a conversation like that with any member of my family, their usual response is - Uh oh! The next thing one or more say to me is, "can we have the Cliff Notes version?"
;-)

Well, here at my blog I can decide whether or not to present the "Cliff notes" version or write a forty page dossier on the subject! Of course, many readers may not get through THAT many pages. I am not sure just how long this will turn out to be, but here goes.

There have been a few bloggers who have pointed out how well President Bush and President-elect Obama appear to have been getting along since the election. One blogger, in particular had a very brief but interesting comment at his blog.

Does anyone happen to know who the author of the blog "Lame Cherry" is? This person often writes quite different, often controversial, yet very interesting posts. [Note: some posts mock certain people and are derogatory in nature. Don't claim I didn't warn you!]

Sometimes it is hard to tell which ones are meant to be only satire and which ones are dead serious. He also has a strange habit of using the term "hisself." It seems to be the only obvious grammatically incorrect term that is frequently used. Perhaps he's just trying to be funny? Anyway, in one of his posts where he has the photo of the four living presidents and Barack Obama,he writes:




In noting that, the photo released of Birdie Obama with the 4 Presidents was most interesting as it shows no one wants to be close to the looser [sic] Jimmy Carter. It reveals Bill Clinton is almost in Bush 43's pocket as he wants to be in power so badly again.

43 is amusing in turning his back on the sexual predator Clinton and racist Carter as he is uncomfortable with them and is quite pleased his man Obama has won.

In that Bush 41 is completely at home and within himself with hands in his pockets and leaning into Obama who in turn is leaning into HW Bush, with his hands folded and tilting away from Bush 43 in a clear sign he is telling the world he is retreating within himself and not ready to be President.

Others have noted that in his staff meetings where he has to be presidential he is non stop grinning in a reaction of discomfort in he has no idea what he is doing.


Pay special attention to that sentence in red italics. Did you see that? This Lame Cherry guy is claiming that Bush 43 is "pleased his man Obama has won." Isn't that odd?

Maybe not.

Let me put my tin foil hat back on, but let's go in the opposite direction of former conspiracy theories.

If you look at that photo of the four presidents and Obama, wouldn't you think that Obama would be standing in between two Democratic colleagues, Clinton and Carter?






Plus, look at the ties! The Bushes and Obama are wearing blue ties, and Clinton and Carter are wearing red! Hmmmm....

[FYI, if I knew how to remove the unflattering pics placed at the bottom of photo by Lame Cherry, I would have. Perhaps I can look for an un-doctored photo later.]

Wouldn't that be a hoot if Bush actually did (secretly or otherwise) support Obama over John McCain? Perhaps their differences and virulent rivalry in the Republican presidential primary back in 2000 never really healed. During the election cycle, we were told that Bush kept his distance from McCain's campaign (most likely at the request of McCain) but also because of Bush's "unpopularity." Could it have been for more reasons than that?

I'm just asking questions.

It still bothers me that McCain didn't do all he could have to expose Obama's past relationships. We know why he didn't question the "natural born citizen" issue. McCain seemed to quickly concede the election and was so overly gracious about it - it just seemed to me like he completely expected to lose.

And, why weren't there investigations into the fraud of ACORN and Obama's ties to them? Why weren't the extraordinary amounts of money that went into the Obama campaign coffers investigated by the FEC? Why didn't McCain complain about the fact that his campaign was held accountable for the funds he received but Obama's campaign wasn't? What about the millions of dollars that Obama allegedly received from foreign sources? And - why is the Blagojevich scandal on hold? Is prosecutor Fitzgerald going to immediately get the boot from Obama right after he is sworn in?

So many unanswered questions!

A couple other things that I have noticed.

When President Bush's daughter Jenna got married, the Reverend who married the couple was Kirbyjon Caldwell (?) and he was an open supporter of Barack Obama.

Recall how ballistic the liberal leftists - like the Daily Kossacks - went when Obama decided to keep Gates as Secretary of Defense? Obama had the AUDACITY to keep a Bush war appointee for his own administration? Horrors!

Also, wasn't it mentioned somewhere in the press that Obama and Cheney share some ancestry?

It is painfully obvious that Michele Obama ABSOLUTELY HATES President Bush. She would not even acknowledge him on the day that the Bushes and Obamas met in front of the White House for their first tour. If you watch the YouTube video, she wouldn't even LOOK AT BUSH; no less shake his hand in greeting! Apparently, Mrs. Obama likes Laura Bush and they got along quite well - according to the press coverage.

I don't know what is going to happen with the 33 lawsuits still on the books (including the Berg vs. Obama upcoming decision announcement from the conference previously held on 1/16/09 - as well as the upcoming Orly Taitz lawsuit that is to go to the SCOTUS conference on January 23rd). But I would suspect that there could be several different scenarios.

1. The Supreme Court (and all other courts) dismiss all of them. I fear that a civil war may erupt.

2. The Supreme Court takes one or more of the cases, and Obama is forced to prove natural born citizenship. The outcome of this could be one of the following:

a. Obama is found ineligible and Joe Biden becomes President.

b. Obama is found eligible, due to the fact that his biological father turns out to be someone other than Barack H. Obama, Sr. There have been rumors on the Internet that his father could be either Malcolm X or Frank Marshall Davis. If so, then he would be a "natural born citizen." Many people who voted for him might be REALLY UPSET that they have been lied to about his parentage during this election cycle and for all these years (and, in his books), but since when did lying and deceit and/or even impeachment (e.g. Clinton) get a president booted out of office? Well - that is - except Nixon!

c. Write your own scenario!

One more thing. I can't tell you how many people were outraged about the Chris Wallace/Nancy Pelosi interview on Fox News Sunday. I need to locate a good commentary about her blatant plans for power grabbing and the impression that was given by Pelosi that she would push the Congress to go after President Bush for prosecution purposes.

The anti-gun legislation issue, the power grabbing scenario, and the oxymoronic "Fairness Doctrine" issue have Pelosi salivating. She would love to pass legislation in Congress that would help disarm, completely keep Republicans from having a voice, and/or silence conservatives on talk radio. An excellent essay opinion appeared in the comment section at Digg. Here is a copy:

Reply to this thread +3 diggs +3 / -0 lookingforHim
on 01/18/2009 novenator,
"Obama will NOT take away your guns."
Sure is trying oh his watch.

The Center for Individual Freedom

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi isn't just trying to SILENCE RUSH, HANNITY AND CONSERVATIVE TALK RADIO by re-imposing the so-called Fairness Doctrine……Pelosi has also effectively moved to SILENCE CONSERVATIVES in Congress and keep the American public in the dark!

You didn't read about it on the front page of The New York Times, but some have gone as far as to call Pelosi's move outright "tyranny."

Jim Meyers with CNSNews.com simply called it a "naked grab for power." On the very first day of Congress, Pelosi pushed through a change to a House rule known as the "motion to recommit," a rule that was implemented a CENTURY AGO specifically to PROHIBIT the leadership of the majority party from railroading horrendous legislation through Congress under the cover of darkness.

John Fund of The Wall Street Journal aptly described the "motion to recommit" as "a procedural safeguard first given to the minority a century ago after a rebellion against tyrannical GOP Speaker Joe Cannon."

So what is the "motion to recommit" and what are the ramifications of doing away with the it? A real-life example - or rather, 50 real life examples - should suffice. As Fund put it: "Republicans used the tactic 50 times in the last Congress, primarily to block tax increases buried in larger bills."

In other words, on 50 occasions during the last session of Congress, Pelosi and Company tried to sneak tax increases, anti-Second Amendment measures and amnesty for illegal aliens, among other things into unrelated bills.

On those 50 occasions, conservatives exercised their right to send the bills back to committee to FORCE liberal committee members to actually go on record.

Essentially, conservatives said, if you want to pass it... vote on it... go on the record... let the American people see what you're trying to do and let the American people know where you stand... but don't try to sneak measures the American people DO NOT WANT through Congress under the cover of darkness!

Of course, in many cases, Pelosi and Company simply let the bills die rather than forcing fellow liberals to actually go on record. Pelosi's wasn't very happy about being forced into those situations, so she quietly changed the rule. As for the rights of the American people: Who cares -- after all, Nancy knows best.

But now that conservatives in Congress are daring to bring Pelosi's tyranny into the light, Pelosi and her fellow-travelers are screaming bloody murder.

According to The Washington Post; "Republicans had repeatedly abused these motions, wording them to put vulnerable members in a bind by having to choose between killing a bill or taking a politically unpalatable vote destined to turn up in a 30-second attack ad."

Representative Barney Frank said conservatives in Congress are only "interested in game playing."

Representative Jim McGovern chided conservatives; "Congress has to accomplish things. This is designed to help us do just that."

Representative Louise Slaughter called the "motion to recommit," "a gimmick that was used to kill bills."

Shame on those evil conservatives in Congress! They should be flogged for demanding legislative transparency!

How dare they "play games" by stopping liberals from sneaking legislation through Congress under the cover of darkness.

How dare they "abuse" their authority and put liberals in a "bind" by demanding transparency.

How dare they institute a "gimmick" (how one institutes something that has been around for 100 years is anyone's guess) to force liberals to actually vote on the unpalatable laws they want to shove down the throats of the American people.

Tell our elected officials that the American public does indeed know what Nancy Pelosi is trying to do and that she must not be allowed to get away with her tyrannical change of House rules. Tell them you do not want tax increases, amnesty for illegal aliens and other egregious measures passed in the dark of night and under the cover of darkness.

Secrecy Is the Liberals' Favorite Weapon. Seriously, Pelosi and her left-wing cohorts in Congress firmly believe that what YOU don't know won't hurt THEM. They believe that as long as you don't know what they're up to, they can get away with whatever they want to impose on the American people. Pelosi is depending on the cover of darkness and the silence of her allies in the media to keep her shenanigans under wraps.

The last thing Pelosi wants is for the American people to find out what she has done. And that's how we STOP her. We let the cat out of the bag.

They WILL be disabused of the notion that they can: Secretly raise your taxes. Secretly impose amnesty for illegal aliens on your community and your neighborhood. Secretly take away your ability to protect your family by regulating away your right to own and keep a firearm.

Tell our elected officials that the American public does indeed know what Nancy Pelosi is trying to do and that she must not be allowed to get away with her tyrannical change of House rules. Tell them you do not want tax increases, amnesty for illegal aliens and other egregious measures passed in the dark of night and under the cover of darkness.

Is The Media Helping Pelosi Keep The Secret? If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? Liberals in the mainstream media are taking that old philosophical adage to heart.

Just because you haven't read about what is happening in your local newspaper or haven’t heard about it on the nightly news, do not think that conservatives in Congress don't understand the horrible implications of what would happen if Pelosi is allowed to quietly get away with taking away the rights of the American people They're hopping mad... they're making their feelings known... but the liberal media simply is NOT reporting it.

You'd better believe that if conservatives moved to SHUT DOWN the voice of the minority, it would be on the front page of The New York Times.

Conservatives are talking and just in case you missed it, here is some of what is being said: House Republicans sent a letter to Pelosi which addressed the hypocrisy and dishonesty of her position. The letter read in part: “This is not the kind of openness and transparency that President-elect Obama promised.” Representative David Dreier of California said the rule change would create “the most closed Congress in history.” House Minority Leader John Boehner complained that Pelosi's little subterfuge “silences the voices of tens of millions of Americans by further shutting down open debate on the House floor and taking away the minority’s right to offer substantive policy alternatives on behalf of the millions of Americans they represent.”

Conservative legislators are trying to get the message out but they need your help to drive the message home Pelosi and liberals in Congress must be made to understand that the American people ARE getting the message and that the liberal media can't give them cover this time around. And they need to know that you ARE NOT happy!

Tell our elected officials that the American public does indeed know what Nancy Pelosi is trying to do and that she must not be allowed to get away with her tyrannical change of House rules. Tell them you do not want tax increases, amnesty for illegal aliens and other egregious measures passed in the dark of night and under the cover of darkness.

A Government of Pelosi, By Pelosi and For Pelosi? Nancy Pelosi changed her tune on a great many things once she assumed the position of Speaker of the House. Two years ago, she said; "Bills should generally come to the floor under a procedure that allows open, full and fair debate consisting of a full amendment process that grants the minority the right to offer its alternatives, including a substitute."

Even the liberal Washington Post could not help but comment on Pelosi's blatant hypocrisy and her apparent rush to change the rules when it comes to transparency and openness: "When they took over in 2007, Democrats set aside their pledge in order to muscle through their agenda during the first 100 hours; their promises continued to prove hollow in the ensuing months.... Democrats brought more measures to the House floor under closed rules - permitting no amendments - than any of the six previous Republican-controlled congresses."

The Post also wrote: "But there is a legitimate concern about whether the House can return to a semblance of 'regular order': committee hearings and markups rather than measures brought precipitously to the floor with little time for review; reasonable allowance for amendments on the floor rather than closed rules allowing no changes; and conferences to resolve differences between the chambers rather than leadership-dictated products."

Naturally, The Post doesn't quite get it. The issue is about A LOT MORE than Pelosi's apparent hypocrisy! It's not about a choice between a Congress that is orderly versus a Congress that bickers.

It's a choice between a Congress that is accountable to the people or a Congress that simply tries to legislate through stealth. It's a choice between freedom and tyranny.

Will you stand up for your freedoms? That's your choice!

Tell our elected officials that the American public does indeed know what Nancy Pelosi is trying to do and that she must not be allowed to get away with her tyrannical change of House rules. Tell them you do not want tax increases, amnesty for illegal aliens and other egregious measures passed in the dark of night and under the cover of darkness.

Yours In Freedom,
Jeff Mazzella
www.cfif.org


Another Digg user claims:


Reply+1 digg +1 / -0 Beerformyhorses
19 hr 51 min ago Here is a truism. Governments are about power and money. Period. They want your money and want power over you so you cannot resist them robbing you. There is no altruism in government. They want the first right of refusal on every dime you earn. We are fast approaching a tipping point at which many will say ENOUGH! They need to ban and confiscate our weapons before that tipping point or they will lose their power. Resist.


Now, it will be interesting to see if Obama gives Pelosi and her cohorts "their way" on the Bush "investigation" issue and/or the gun issue. If he doesn't side with Pelosi on the Bush investigation issue, then I predict that the liberals will go ballistic - once again (just like they did with the Rick Warren pick for prayer at the inauguration) and start to doubt that Obama is as much of a "Bush hater" as those who have been suffering from "Bush Derangement Syndrome" over the past eight years!

The gun issue I cannot predict. Obama has sent mixed messages about that and there is no predicting what he might do. At least there are many Americans already well armed. Gun sales rose 50% after the election results and prior to tomorrow's inauguration!

Ah...I feel like I am leaving a lot of details out. As I think of additional questions, comments, theories, conspiracies etc. I will add them here and in the comment section.

Any thoughts? Comments? Rantings? Agreements? Disagreements?

We now return you back to the normal Talk Wisdom blog...

P.S. I was SO GLAD to read that the border agents - Ramos and Compean - have been pardoned by President Bush!!!

12 comments:

sh007r said...

Take a look at this view, it seems to be spot on.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=86469
We know Obama lied, just how much how often and what will he do next are the only questions but he is not a true Christian.
When B Hussein said "there are many ways to get into heaven", he lost my trust forever.

Ted said...

The question is not IF there will be an interdiction of Obama’s Presidency by the Supreme Court, the questions are WHEN and HOW that interdiction will transpire — that is, if the USA is to continue as the Constitutional Republic that now exists.

Christinewjc said...

sh007r,

I saw that article this morning. Joseph Farah makes a very good argument!

I agree with you. Obama is not a true Christian. I wrote a blog post about that fact back in January of 2008.

Another thing that I find very troubling about him is his extreme abortion support. It is nothing less than infanticide! That was the first indication to me that he could never earn my trust, vote, admiration or confidence - NOT EVER!

Christinewjc said...

Ted,

I still hope that you are correct about that!

If the Supreme Court does not take one of the pending cases and demand that Obama show proof of his eligibility status; then I truly fear that our Constitutional Republic will be in dire straits.

Christinewjc said...

Then again...

The question of Obama being "Bush's man" in this election?

Mmmmm....maybe not!

As the famous Gilda Radner character - Emily Litella - on SNL in the '70's and 80's used to say after a long, misinformed editorial reply - Never mind!

lol

Cris Ericson said...

As well as SUN sign, you have moon, mercury (HOW YOUR BRAIN THINKS THROUGH PROBLEMS) venus and mars (HOW YOU EXERT YOURSELF TO GET YOUR OWN WAY) signs.

George W. Bush, born July 6, 1946, has MARS in VIRGO.

Barack Obama, if born August 4, 1961, has MARS in VIRGO.

1 out of every 12 people has mars in virgo.

George W. Bush has MERCURY in LEO.
Barack Obama, may have MERCURY in LEO, depending on if he was born Aug. 4, 1961 (ha ha ha ha ha)

1 out of every 12 people has mercury in Leo.

Now, Multiply 12 x 12 = 144.

One out of 144 people have the combination of mercury in leo and mars in virgo.

George W. Bush and Barack Obama
both have this 1 out of 144 combo.

Don't for one second think there is going to be too much "change" going jing a ling a ling around here the next 4 years!

To see how you compare to Barack Obama, go to
http://www.achernar.btinternet.co.uk/fm.html

and click on your year and scroll to your birthdate.

Now, keep in mind, the same brain, the same way of exerting his will power, Bush = Obama.

Christinewjc said...

Now Cris...tell me that you are just kidding!

rebecca said...

I find this very disturbing, honestly... I have always given Bush great respect, I believe that he is the GREATEST president we have EVER had, with the solo exception of REAGAN. Bush kept us safe from terrorism, taught the Arabs a lesson -- he will ALWAYS be my President, NOT B. HUSSEIN NOBAMA.

Speaking of Reagan, I had a MIND-BOGGLING converstation today with someone VERY CLOSE TO ME, a Republican even, who said that OBAMA was the first president he admired since REAGAN. I couldn't believe this AT ALL. I mean Reagan was a CONSERVATIVE, Obama the biggest LIBERAL. But he said and I quote that Bush was a failure like Carter and that Obama would be treated like a hero like Reagan and win the next election with 49 states or more because the economy would improve by 2012 and that it would 12 years or more before another Republican gets elected. I was so UPSET by his theory and let him know that the BIRTH issue was going to absolutely DESTROY Obama. He told me to "get off the blogs" because I'm "going nuts." I could almost cry I was so upset.

It's so hard to get through to him sometimes! Honestly it's so hard to be a conservative in my town it seems like EVERYONE is standing up for "NOBAMA" and the whole town is shutting down tomorrow so people can watch his horrible speech!

It reminds me so much of HITLER it's scary.

Christinewjc said...

Oh my....

Read these two pages!!!

Country First forums: Bush Executive Order page 1

Country First forums: Bush Executive Order page 2

Copy of page 1:

**EXECUTIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
Comment on and Post articles found in the media, youtube videos, etc.
For those members that like the old forum, post anything you wish here. Posts
will be sorted out to topic areas after they age and are no longer active.
Post a reply 16 posts • Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2
**EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by creativeogre on Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:05 pm

RED ADDED FOR EMPHASIS BY OGRE
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 116-1.html


Executive Order: Granting Reciprocity on Excepted Service and Federal Contractor
Employee Fitness and Reinvestigating Individuals in Positions of Public Trust

White House News
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of
the United States of America, including sections 1104(a)(1), 3301, and 7301 of
title 5, United States Code, and in order to simplify and streamline the system
of Federal Government personnel investigative and adjudicative processes to make
them more efficient and effective, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Policy. (a) When agencies determine the fitness of individuals to
perform work as employees in the excepted service or as contractor employees,
prior favorable fitness or suitability determinations should be granted
reciprocal recognition, to the extent practicable.

(b) It is necessary to reinvestigate individuals in positions of public trust in
order to ensure that they remain suitable for continued employment.

Sec. 2. Definitions. For the purposes of this order:

(a) "Agency" means an executive agency as defined in section 105 of title 5,
United States Code, but does not include the Government Accountability Office.

(b) "Contractor employee" means an individual who performs work for or on behalf
of any agency under a contract and who, in order to perform the work specified
under the contract, will require access to space, information, information
technology systems, staff, or other assets of the Federal Government. Such
contracts, include, but are not limited to:

(i) personal services contracts;

(ii) contracts between any non-Federal entity and any agency; and

(iii) sub-contracts between any non-Federal entity and another non-Federal
entity to perform work related to the primary contract with the agency.

(c) "Excepted service" has the meaning provided in section 2103 of title 5,
United States Code, but does not include those positions in any element of the
intelligence community as defined in the National Security Act of 1947, as
amended, to the extent they are not otherwise subject to Office of Personnel
Management appointing authorities.

(d) "Fitness" is the level of character and conduct determined necessary for an
individual to perform work for or on behalf of a Federal agency as an employee
in the excepted service (other than a position subject to suitability) or as a
contractor employee.

(e) "Fitness determination" means a decision by an agency that an individual has
or does not have the required level of character and conduct necessary to
perform work for or on behalf of a Federal agency as an employee in the excepted
service (other than a position subject to suitability) or as a contractor
employee. A favorable fitness determination is not a decision to appoint or
contract with an individual.

(f) "Position of Public Trust" has the meaning provided in 5 CFR Part 731.

(g) "Suitability" has the meaning and coverage provided in 5 CFR Part 731.

Sec. 3. Agency Authority to Set Fitness Criteria and Determine Equivalency. The
authority to establish criteria for making fitness determinations remains within
the discretion of the agency head. Agency heads also have the discretion to
determine whether their criteria are equivalent to suitability standards
established by the Office of Personnel Management. Agency heads shall take into
account Office of Personnel Management guidance when exercising this discretion.

Sec. 4. Reciprocal Recognition of Fitness and Suitability Determinations. (a)
Except as provided by subsection (b) of this section, agencies making fitness
determinations shall grant reciprocal recognition to a prior favorable fitness
or suitability determination when:

(i) the gaining agency uses criteria for making fitness determinations
equivalent to suitability standards established by the Office of Personnel
Management;

(ii) the prior favorable fitness or suitability determination was based on
criteria equivalent to suitability standards established by the Office of
Personnel Management; and

(iii) the individual has had no break in employment since the favorable
determination was made.

(b) Exceptions to Reciprocal Recognition. A gaining agency is not required to
grant reciprocal recognition to a prior favorable fitness or suitability
determination when:

(i) the new position requires a higher level of investigation than previously
conducted for that individual;

(ii) an agency obtains new information that calls into question the individual's
fitness based on character or conduct; or

(iii) the individual's investigative record shows conduct that is incompatible
with the core duties of the new position.

Sec. 5. Reinvestigation of Individuals in Positions of Public Trust. Individuals
in positions of public trust shall be subject to reinvestigation under standards
(including but not limited to the frequency of such reinvestigation) as
determined by the Director of the Office of Personnel Management, to ensure
their suitability for continued employment.

Sec. 6. Responsibilities. (a) An agency shall report to the Office of Personnel
Management the nature and results of the background investigation and fitness
determination (or later changes to that determination) made on an individual, to
the extent consistent with law.

(b) The Director of the Office of Personnel Management is delegated authority to
implement this order, including the authority to issue regulations and guidance
governing suitability, or guidance related to fitness, as the Director
determines appropriate.

Sec. 7. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to
impair or otherwise affect:

(i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating
to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject
to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This order shall not suspend, impede, or otherwise affect Executive Order
10450 of April 27, 1953, as amended, or Executive Order 13467 of June 30, 2008;

(d) This order is intended only to improve the internal management of the
executive branch and is not intended to, and does not, create any right or
benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party
against the United States, its agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its
officers, employees or agents, or any other person.

Sec. 8. Effective Date and Applicability. This order is effective upon issuance
and is applicable to individuals newly appointed to excepted service positions
or hired as contractor employees beginning 90 days from the effective date of
this order.

GEORGE W. BUSH

THE WHITE HOUSE,

January 16, 2009.
"Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the
consent of the governed." --Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776.
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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by Holly on Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:09 pm

MMMMMMMM INTERESTING.............
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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by Philadelphia Roof Doctor on Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:16 pm

This ties in real well with the prediction you posted earlier at:
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=2070


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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by Just one of we the People on Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:45 pm

hhuuuummmmm... Looks like
'the people's constitution, the people's government; made for the people, made
by the people, and answerable to the people." Daniel Webster 1830
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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by Julie on Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:51 pm

Clarification please.......this would not include the Presidency would it or
probably anyone in the executive branch?
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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by Philadelphia Roof Doctor on Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:58 pm

My guess is that it includes everyone but the president and that they already
have the goods on Obama.
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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by Julie on Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:08 pm

It seems to be talking about "agencies" and "employees" in a very legal and
restrictive sense. I'm trying to figure out how far this would extend. If it
extends no further than that it would just be further Big Brother clamping down
on us and making way for an easier takeover by a dictatorship. If it is as you
say I should be jumping for joy. Maybe I'm being overly cautious but with all
the let-downs we've had for so long now I've gotten cynical.

And if it is as you say Doc.....what a legacy Bush will have provided for
himself! He would be a hero of our nation for the history books!
Hos. 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by cowboy013 on Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:10 pm

Me too. Also, if he does take the oath and gets in, HE CAN just write another
Ex. Order. and if they don't get him out right away it takes over.
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blue steel and copper jacketed FMJs.
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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by Julie on Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:30 pm

Cowboy....I really hope we will have to hang our heads and look silly in
everyone's eyes for being too cynical. I would much rather do that than be on
target with this.
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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by Philadelphia Roof Doctor on Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:32 pm

cowboy013 wrote:
Me too. Also, if he does take the oath and gets in, HE CAN just write another
Ex. Order. and if they don't get him out right away it takes over.


But, if he is found ineligible, his executive order is invalid and means
nothing!!!
No Obama!! Support and defend the Constitution. No Communism!!
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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by Julie on Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:37 pm

Hey....yeah!!!! But that's probably when the "Revolution" would hit the streets.
Everyone would be arguing about who's executive order we should all be
following. How confusing!
Hos. 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by cowboy013 on Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:59 am

Julie wrote:
Cowboy....I really hope we will have to hang our heads and look silly in
everyone's eyes for being too cynical. I would much rather do that than be on
target with this.



I hope more than anyone here that I am so WRONG. BUT; seen too much crap. Lets
PRAY and see.

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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by connjdllm on Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:54 am

Hope not, it will be rescinded tomorrow by the new Alien Nee President!

Phil Berg needs to start using that term....meaning "foreign born".
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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by Angie on Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:12 am

Yeah, he should.Angie

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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by NobleThoughts on Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:59 pm

Executive Orders: Today 1.19.09, 10450 of April 27, 1953, and 13467 of June 30,
2008 - Security requirements for Government employment

These Executive Orders may apply nicely to the Barack Obama's Selective Service
Registration violations and production of false identity documentation:

“After birth” eligibility factors pertain to any actions or conscious decisions
made by the candidate that violate the statutes written in the Constitution and
United States Codes. Such actions would result in forfeiture of previously
gained eligibility rights as a citizen.

Such actions would include:

1. 18 USC §1028 and 50 USC App. 462 - Production of False Identity Documentation

2. Section 3 of the Military Selective Service Act, as amended (50 USC App. 453,
1-103) - Failure to register for the Selective Service Registration, at the age
of 18 or before the age of 26

Barack Obama, aka Barry Soetoro has not produced an authentic Selective Service
Registration form. Registration is required by Section 3 of the Military
Selective Service Act, as amended (50 USC App. 453, 1-103). Men who do not
register could be prosecuted and, if convicted, fined up to $250,000 and/or
serve up to five years in prison. In addition, men who fail to register with
Selective Service before turning age 26, even if not prosecuted, will become
ineligible for: Student Financial Aid, U.S. Citizenship, and jobs in the
Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. The
Selective Service Registration form recently acquired through the Freedom of
Information Act has been shown to be fraudulent on eleven accounts.

3. 8 USC 1481 - Becoming naturalized in another country, swearing an oath of
allegiance to another country, serving in the armed forces of a nation at war
with the U.S., or if you are an officer in that force, working for the
government of another nation if doing so requires that you become naturalized or
that you swear an oath of allegiance, and by being convicted of committing
treason.



Earlier Cross Posts:

Five Assaults on US Constitution, Barack Eligibility Vote
http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1831

Letter for Senator James Inhofe
http://thinknoblethoughts.ning.com/forum/topics/letter-for-senator-james

Video - Justice Clarence Thomas on Constitution & My Letter
http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=984

Obama's Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions
http://thinknoblethoughts.ning.com/forum/topics/obamas-draft-registration

Copy of this post is a new topic here viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2100 please address
any replies to this post on the other thread.. thanks - Ogre


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Re: **EXECUITIVE ORDER PUBLISHED TODAY 1-19-09***
by connjdllm on Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:37 pm

Monday, January 19, 2009
For Immediate release
For immediate release01.19.09. Based on the executive order issued by President
George w. Bush on the 01.16.09., a legal action is being filed in the Federal
Court in the Central District of California. The executive order provides for
Reciprocity and Reinvestigation of Individuals in positions of public trust.
Section 2 (e), provides for investigation of required level of character and
conduct. On behalf of Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, Wiley S. Drake and Markham
Robinson attorney Orly Taitz has filed a legal action for a writ of Mandamus,
declaratory Relief and Injunctive Relief on the issue of legitimacy for
presidency of Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Obama aka Barry Soetoro and
directing Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Director of FBI Robert Mueller,
and director of Personnel Michael Hager to provide all necessary documentation
in regards to Mr. Obama's (Soetoro's) legitimacy for presidency and US
citizenship.
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Christinewjc said...

Rebecca,

Yes...Obama-mania is in full force today! It will probably be even worse tomorrow! Sometimes I truly think that people have had their brains hijacked by the ObamaBorg! All of the crazy junk that people are selling and buying with Obama's picture on it (even...tattoos???!!! - give me a freakin' break already!!!) make this election seem like some kind of surreal celebrity rip off!

Will he get away with this fraud? Only time will tell...

My post was just some speculation based on a few weird observations.

Be sure to read the comment right below yours. There is every indication that Bush's Executive Order today could be just the right kind of tool to nail Obama!

Matt W. said...

OK, so I don't know about the Bush thing, though clearly he has been doing everything that he can to make sure Obama is set up to do whatever he wishes to do, when he should have been trying to do all the could to minimize the damage, but I digress, throughout the entire campaign I continually found myself wondering if McCain were deliberately trying to loose the election. The only smart thing he really did was to pick Sarah Palin, and I'm not sure he realized what a boost that would give him, being as how he has no understanding of conservatives whatsoever.

Christinewjc said...

Hi Matt,

With the discovery of that last Bush Executive Order (which could indeed affect the remaining citizenship cases against Obama), I now doubt that Obama was "Bush's man" in this election.

I just think that Bush is a good man, period. He sincerely wanted to greet the Obamas to the White House and help him get acclimated for the sake of having a smooth transition period.

It's really a shame that Obama did not give Bush any credit for his accomplishments and was disrespectful towards our now former President in his inauguration speech yesterday.

Plus, the Bush Derangement Syndrome people were in attendance at the inauguration and could not put aside their vile hatred towards the man for even just one day! Michael Savage was absolutely correct when he coined the phrase - "Liberalism is a mental disorder!"

I agree that McCain is too far removed from conservatives to genuinely have an understanding of us. Sarah Palin gave us all the GENUINE hope that conservatism is alive and well in the United States. It's just such a terrible shame that there are so few in government anymore.