Saturday, November 22, 2008

Replying To A Doubter Re:Obama BC Scandal

I received an angry email response from the emailed letter (former blog post) I sent out to several people today. The reply stated:

Do Not send me this garbage again !

Without using names, I want to share my responses and the responses of the "doubter" of the original email that I sent out.

Up front, I want to say that I don't blame "doubter" one bit for being skeptical about this controversy. Those who have not been made aware of all the lawsuits put forth (with some summarily dismissed) because the Media of Mass Deception refuses to cover any of it, will likely experience shock about these allegations and developments. My purpose for sharing this email conversation (anonymously), is to help educate others who may come here and read - with disbelief - what has been extensively researched by Talk Wisdom and other countless blogs, forums, and online website publishers who are on top of this scandal.

With that said, here is my first response to "doubter's" request to not send "that garbage" via email anymore:

Dear Doubter,

I apologize for sending my previous email. If you had taken the time to read all of it (and the links), you would have discovered that it is not "garbage."

While deciding who to send the email to, I decided to send it to you because you are [deleted for privacy] of an [deleted for privacy]. I had thought that you might be interested in learning the truth about the fraudulent election of Obama. Apparently, I was wrong.

I will delete your email from my address book.




Christine, if all this were true, why isnt the John McCain camp complaining?
They would be the first ones, believe me.

Not necessarily. If you recall, John McCain's birth place was up for scrutiny earlier in the campaign season.

Here is an article that discusses the agreement made in Congress about "natural born citizen" status:

The NEIN Blog: A Wider Conspiracy

Carefully read about Senate Resolution 511:
Senate Resolution 511

Then, go back to the NEIN blog link and read the rest of the post.

Note this VERY important conclusion:

The Senate may have passed S. Res. 511, by "Unanimous Consent" on 30 APRIL 2008 but that does not make it binding federal law. As detailed under the definition of a "Simple Resolution" on the Senate.Gov website:
"Simple resolutions do not require the approval of the other house nor the signature of the President, and they do not have the force of law."

In fact, the Donofrio lawsuit also questions John McCain's status as a "natural born citizen" in it! This may be why his campaign has not pursued the issue with Obama.

John McCain's "natural born citizen" status is genuine - as per what is written in the Constitution and Resolution 511. Therefore, he has already been PROVEN to be eligible for POTUS. He may not be speaking out for hundreds of reasons - one being the fact that his status was previously questioned and he didn't want Obama to go through the same type of scrutiny.

However, the evidence is piling up against Obama's "natural born citizen"

As far as the media is concerned, they are NOT going to share anything negative about Obama (just like they avoided doing so during the campaign.) If the SCOTUS "secret conference" decides (only needs 4 votes) to listen to full-fledged arguments regarding the Donofrio lawsuit, then the media might then be forced to report it.

Another reason why the media doesn't want to report this issue is because of the riots that would likely occur if Obama is found ineligible.

Another reason is because even Fox News is 6% owned by a Saudi billionaire named AlWaleed. He has actively kept the rhetoric on Fox News toned down regarding any Muslim issues. For example, when the Paris car burnings happened by "Muslim youths," he told Fox News not to identify them as "Muslims." As a share holder in the company, Fox News was forced to comply and retract that statement. They then labeled it "youth riots."

Here is a link to a U.K. article about AlWaleed and Fox News:

UK Media: NewsCorporation - Rupert Murdoch

I realize that this all sounds like a wild and crazy conspiracy...but maybe,
just really is!

Here is a link to a 90 minute blog radio broadcast that shares details about the Obama birth certificate silence by the media:

Political Pistachio: Why Is Obama's Birth Certificate Still An Issue? Why does the media not report on the lawsuits regarding the Issue?

Lastly, I want to commend you for posting on your blog to "pray for
President-elect Obama." We need to pray for the truth to come out! If he IS GENUINELY a natural born citizen (which he can easily prove by showing his vault length COLB to the U.S. Supreme Court and to the public), then he should be our president. If he is NOT a natural born citizen, then I think that it is VITAL that our U.S. Constitution be upheld and that the electors be forbidden to cast their votes for him.

Thanks for being willing to at least read all of this.

God bless you.



You mentioned that I am an [deleted for privacy]. I want to point out that, as [deleted for privacy] I try to get the facts. Please visit this site

I didnt ask to be taken off your list, by the way.


Hi again Doubter,

OK good. I won't take you off of my email list. Sorry for incorrectly
identifying you as [deleted for privacy]!

In my research, I have found that is a left-leaning organization - owned by Annenberg - which is linked to the Obama campaign, too. They have put up the Birth Certificate from Hawaii as "proof" that Obama was born in Hawaii. The fact is, many tech-savvy people have examined that certificate and have found it to be a forgery.

The same can be said for (I used to rely on them myself). They have been honest about many of the email hoaxes, but I also found out that they skew the evidence regarding Obama in his favor, just like the rest of the leftist media.

What many people want to see is Obama's vault-length COLB. It is the one with more details - like hospital, doctor of delivery, father and mother's occupation, etc. It is different from the one that has been posted online.

One more thing to consider. When the forged birth certificate surfaced on the Obama "fight the smears" website, many investigators noticed abnormalities about it. It is assumed that it was actually a "doctored" copy of Obama's sister's Hawaii COLB. Others have stated that back in 1963, an African American baby would not have been labeled as "African" on his/her birth certificate. It would have read "negro" or "colored."

The bottom line is this. If Obama would produce his vault-length COLB to the U.S. Supreme Court and to the public, then all of this would go away.

Why hasn't he done this? That's the question on everyone's mind. It is highly suspicious that NO ONE has seen it! No judge, no American citizen - not one of us ordinary American citizens who have the absolute right to know whether or not Obama is genuinely a natural born citizen of the United States - which is a requirement in our U.S. Constitution.

Doubter, one of the reasons why I am continuing to pursue this issue is because of the reason why the Founding Fathers wrote "natural born citizenship" status as a necessity for POTUS (note: a "naturalized citizen can be a senator (like Obama if that is what he really is) or governor - (like Arnold Schwarteneggar of CA).

These are comments copied from this link:

The Wider Conspiracy

"There is an immensely important reason why our Founding Fathers put
"natural born citizen" status as a prerequisite for POTUS. They intellectually surmised that one day, a person might run for POTUS with secret loyalty to another nation which could put our nation in jeopardy."

My blogging friend Sean over at the NEIN blog added this:

Nailed it! I think every Citizen of the United States should at least once in
his or her life pay a visit to Colonial Williamsburg, Virginia. Perhaps even
twice. On the tour you will learn the basis for the "natural born citizen" clause.

What I was previously unaware of until a recent visit to Williamsburg was that the ultimate basis for this belief was the pre-existing fear-based rivalry between the British throne and the Papacy - which is to say between the Church of England and the Roman Holy See & the Pope - and it had everything to do with the fear of a leader with real or imagined loyalties to a foreign king. It even goes further back than that to Imperial Rome and the new Christians whose loyalty was to the Messiah King, Jesus Christ. This was translated or transmutated over time to earthly realms of kings, princes and principalities, and it still a fact to this day, and will be a fact during the reign of the future antichrist. It is the core of the conflict between Judeo-Christianity and Islam, the real God vs. false god core issue. But I digress...

Did you know this sense continued in America right on up to President J. F. Kennedy? That's right, no Catholic had been elected President until JFK was elected because of the long-standing fear that a Catholic believer would be ultimately loyal to the Pope before and above the Constitution of the United States. This is the basis for the "natural born citizen" clause. And it took a trip to Colonial Williamsburg just last summer for me to learn this important bit of American history.

Good work bringing this point up Christine, and thank you for reminding me about it.

Now we're worried about a likely POTUS who has not so much a loyalty to a foreign king, but loyalty and an agenda tied to a foreign ideology - an
antithesis ideology - to that which has been uniquely American since the
founding of this Republic. That is the core issue in a nutshell, and this is why I had to return to this comment.

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Doubter, I am worried about two things. I am worried that Obama will be found ineligible to be POTUS and the riots across America would be like none we have ever seen. Secondly, I am extremely worried that if Obama takes office, our nation could be in deep trouble. Thus, I pray for God's direction and mercy no matter what happens.

Thanks again for reading,



I know what you are saying here, however, the main stream media never picked this up. I was thinking, if there is a big story there, they would jump on it.

Ultimately, December 1, 2008 and December 5, 2008 will be significant days concerning two lawsuits.

Please see Texas Darlin blog too. Check out the many posts on this topic.

As commenter "Ted" in the comment section of my previous blogpost said, you really should listen to this Blog Radio broadcast over at Political Pistachio: Why Is Obama's Birth Certificate Still An Issue? Why Does the Media Not Report on the Lawsuits Concerning the Issue?

Lastly, I discovered the following article today.

The Great Birth Certificate Scandal Cover Up Of The 2008 Election


Update 11/23/08 @ 10:28 a.m. PT

If you want to see the absolute SMOKING GUN SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that the Barack Hussein Obama birth certificate being passed off on the Internet as "real" on sites such as "Kos," "," "Snopes," and "fight the smears" websites,

FYI: The page may take some time to load because it is filled with image comparisons that will demonstrate the PROOF that the Obama birth certificate is a FORGERY!

Additional Note: When you click on the link above, you will need to scroll down a bit to begin reading/viewing the post.

Update: 11/24/08 at 9:23 a.m. PT

Just found this message forum that has lots of information and links (including several that I have already posted at Talk Wisdom) about the Obama birth certificate controversy and the U.S. Supreme Court cases coming up in December:

U.S. Supreme Court to Review Challenge of Barack Obama’s Citizenship


jeleasure said...

Good work Christine.
I'm pleased to see yourself and Sean interacting. He is a patriot above many. And, he is a wealth of information.

I have to confess, I've run out of steam on the issue. I've emailed myself to alienation. So, I'll just have to let the Obamites see what happens.

What is interesting is, I'm sending out information for the purpose of being informative. If the Supreme Court begins to act on the issue of of doubt concerning Barak Obama's qualifying documentation to be President of the United States, many people will be angry. And, the very people I am attempting to help be informed will find themselves, literally being blind sided if rioting occurs. The rioting will begin as a race issue. So, all of the caucations who chose to be uninformed supporters for Obama will discover they are not wearing a brand that says, "I voted for Obama" when they are attacked because of the color of their skin.

If the Supreme Court does not act on this, our country stands to see lawlessness.

I've been privy to conversations of how much people hate the idea of a Black man being in office. We will have a President who should not be in office whom radicals will try to get to. Then, if the Secret Service is unable to protect him, we will still find ourselves in a race war.
I have been saying for a long time, Obama needs to wait until the American people know who he is before running for office of the President. But, he continued to pursue his selfish ambition, ignoring the fact that he will not be good for the health of the nation. So, we shall see. On one hand, I don't want anything to happen to Obama. On the other hand, he needs to qualify to be President. If his birth documents are a fraud, we have a constitutional crisis that will eventually give rise to a corrupt Government. And a weakened judicial system that will find the constitution to be a formality.

Douglas V. Gibbs said...

Well said; an excellent break-down of the issue. And thanks for referring to Political Pistachio as well. Your blog is greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work.



Matt W. said...

I have to say, I myself find the birthplace argument less than compelling, as his Mother was a US Citizen (unless she renounced it and I missed that somewhere along the line) so he would be a Natural born Citizen, regardless of the place. I admit, the deception and smoke and mirrors troubles me. Whenever someone hides and doesn't answer charges straight up, it troubles me.

On the other hand, I am interested in the Indonesia thing. I haven't been following this closely but has that been resolved? If he lost his citizenship, even for a time, he would not qualify to be President, as a matter of Law, and as this is a nation of laws, that really matters a lot.

As to Jeleasure's comment, I haven't heard anyone complaining about a black man being President, just this one. Oh I'm sure the KKK types are out there, but they aren't prevalent. I'm also not concerned about his safety, I have tremendous faith in the ability of the Secret Service to protect him. It's what they do, and they are really, REALLY good at it.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps the central situation conducive to the diffusion of the paranoid tendency is a confrontation of opposed interests which are (or are felt to be) totally irreconcilable, and thus by nature not susceptible to the normal political processes of bargain and compromise. The situation becomes worse when the representatives of a particular social interest --- perhaps because of the very unrealistic and unrealizable nature of its demands --- are shut out of the political process. Having no access to political bargaining or the making of decisions, they find their original conception that the world of power is sinister and malicious fully confirmed. They see only the consequences of power --- and this through distorting lenses --- and have no chance to observe its actual machinery. A distinguished historian has said that one of the most valuable things about history is that it teaches us how things do not happen. It is precisely this kind of awareness that the paranoid fails to develop. He has a special resistance of his own, of course, to developing such awareness, but circumstances often deprive him of exposure to events that might enlighten him --- and in any case he resists enlightenment.

We are all sufferers from history, but the paranoid is a double sufferer, since he is afflicted not only by the real world, with the rest of us, but by his fantasies as well.

--Richard Hofstadter

Christinewjc said...

Yes Jim. I understand how you feel re: emailing people regarding this information. Know what? The "doubter" was the only one who responded! Wait - take that back. One Christian friend in my address book forwarded the info to her friends.

I can't blame people for doubting. The fact that NO ONE in the MSM is talking about this really disturbs me. However, while reading through some posts and comments over at Texas Darlin Blog, I learned several reasons why this is so - and that we are not alone in our concerns on this issue.

One commenter mentioned that he/she thinks that George Soros was heavily involved in our U.S. financial crisis. Also states (what I found out, too - and posted on this blog in the past), that Soros was instrumental in a financial crash that happens over in the UK years ago.

I might be reading his intentions incorrecty, but at first glance it appears that commenter "Anonymous" (here) who posted about "Richard Hofstader's beliefs" - seems to think that I must be suffering from "paranoid mentality" from my "fantasies."

Hmmm...who knew that there would be complimentary medical/mental evaluations and diagnoses offered in the comment section of blogs? ;-)

You are probably (unfortunately) correct about those who are angry about a black man becoming president. My husband ran into one of them at the marina yesterday. The guy had a few beer cans strewn about his boat, but went into a tirade about Obama's race. He didn't have much to say about any objections to Obama's policies - just kept cursing up a racist storm of epithets about his skin color. My husband made a quick exit from the conversation, simply saying that he doesn't agree with Obama's policies and thus he voted for McCain.

I'm sure that Talk Wisdom readers are probably sick of this subject. I just think that it is too important to ignore. I try to balance the ongoing information and investigation with other subject matter.

When I was so sick of it myself last night, I got out that booklet I described to you in another post. I read even more, and it is ironic to say that I could relate a lot of it to today's presidential election! However, it is more of a lament about today, and an awesome respect for our Founding Fathers - like George Washington. Our current president-elect would be totally unrecognizable as qualified or even fit to be president to someone like Washington. But that's just my opinion, of course.

I agree with your evaluation about Sean. From what I've read at his sites, he is truly a patriot - and well informed on these issues. People (like Sean) who have an enormous respect for our Constitution, Christian heritage, Founding Fathers, and founding ideals truly stand head and shoulders above in a crowd.

Christinewjc said...

Hello Douglas!

Thanks for stopping by my little ole' blog and commenting! I see from your profile that you have several blogs. I need to go back and check them out.

The radio program broadcast that blogger "Ted" recommended that I listen to was truly fantastic. What a wealth of information! I was aware of the "Texas Darlin" blog, but had not visited it until after your broadcast. I immediately added it to my blogroll. Added yours too.

I just noticed that I forgot to hat tip all of my links in this post. Need to correct that today.

Keep up the great work you are doing via your blogs and radio show. I need to tune in more often and also listen to your archived shows.

God bless,

Christinewjc said...

Hi Matt,

I think that the writer over at Texas Darlin would agree with you!

Here's a snippet from the recent TD blog:

Of course, both Farah and Martin are correct that Obama should produce not only his original vault-version BC, but any additional legal versions of his BC.

But I disagree, especially, with the way Farah links Obama’s BC to his “natural born” status. And I’m writing this post now because I feel strongly that this error is potentially dangerous. We’ve repeated it ad nauseam on this blog: Obama’s natural-born status is in question because of his dual citizenship (more precisely multiple citizenships: British, Kenyan, Indonesian, US), NOT because of his birth place. That’s why the Donofrio case has the most merit, in our view. Maybe the SCOTUS agrees; maybe not. We’ll soon see.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that Obama is hiding SOMETHING. What that is - remains to be seen. Perhaps both scenarios are true. He was born in Kenya, got a BC registered in Hawaii, then when he and his mother moved to Indonesia to be with the step father - Lolo Soetoro, he even lost his "naturalized citizenship" status. I have read that Indonesia (at that time) did not allow dual citizenships. So, in order to attend school there, his parents had to rescind their U.S. citizenship.

TD thinks that the Donofrio case has the most merit. We shall see what happens.

Christinewjc said...

Anonymous -

You could have saved some time by writing:

"Take two aspirins and call me in the morning..."

te he

That would have been better advice. I had a whopper of a blogosphere headache last night...

Christinewjc said...

Oh great...

I knew it would eventually happen. Frankly, I thought it would have happened sooner than this, but perhaps I have been careful enough in my postings to avoid someone playing the "race card" against me.

Well...someone finally did.

The commenter had a sentence written in German, so I decided not to post it directly. Here is what was written:

You wrote: "Our current president-elect would be totally unrecognizable as qualified or even fit to be president to someone like Washington."

Our current president-elect could have been bought and sold by someone like Washington. Think about that.

I wanted to share this just to prove that people can, and will, use the race card no matter what.

Apparently, it is wrong to point out that a person is not qualified to be president because of disagreement with his beliefs. Obama believes in unfettered abortion and voted against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act both as an Illinois senator and U.S. Senator - which means - he didn't want medical help given to a baby that was born as a result of a botched abortion to get medical treatment and live. Why? Precisely because the baby was initially earmarked for death in the womb of the mother. What's more, my disagreement with his policies - like the fact that he wants government health care which would destroy our current system; higher taxes; distribution of wealth a.k.a. Marxism; wants to divide Jerusalem; wants to silence conservative talk radio via the oxymoronic "fairness" doctrine; wants to send tax payer money overseas to fund abortions; wants to repeal DOMA...I could go on and on.

So. What does the troll commenter do? Plays the race card.

How sad and despicable.

Obama is a LIAR. Plain, clear and simple. He preys upon the sentiments of people who fell for his stupid "hope" and "change" mantra, without REALLY knowing the man and what KIND of "change" he would bring about in this country. It's looking more like a back track to the Clinton admin. - maybe even further - to the Marxist ideology of the Soviet Union!

I don't care what color he is. Actually, if the truth be told he is bi-racial, not black. I'm in trouble. I forgot. No one is supposed to mention that!

Oh out of the bag.

Well...perhaps I'm wrong about his bi-racial roots. During his campaign he did throw his "typical white person" grandmother under the bus.

Excuse my rant. Back to the topic.

I was comparing the beliefs, faith, character, wisdom, patriotism, correct decision making and adherance to God's Word that George Washington had held.

And if the truth be told, in that respect Obama is light years away from the character and authenticity of Washington.

Christinewjc said...


I am getting some REALLY ODD AND WEIRD COMMENTS in my comment moderation box.


Just added the following to the front page of this post. Didn't want ANYONE to miss this - it's the SMOKING GUN regarding the faked Obama BC on the Internet!

Update 11/23/08 @ 10:28 a.m. PT

If you want to see the absolute SMOKING GUN SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that the Barack Hussein Obama birth certificate being passed off on the Internet as "real" on sites such as "Kos," "," "Snopes," and "fight the smears" websites, please see the EXTENSIVE RESEARCH DONE BY RON POLARIK OVER AT HIS BLOG ON TOWNHALL.COM!

FYI: The page may take some time to load because it is filled with image comparisons that will demonstrate the PROOF that the Obama birth certificate is a FORGERY!

I certainly hope that Mr. Donofrio has Mr. Polarik's research in his possession when his lawsuit case against Obama is reviewed!

Christinewjc said...

Additional Note: When you click on the link above (to Ron Polarik's site), you will need to scroll down a bit to begin reading/viewing the post.

jeleasure said...

Hi Christine,
Twice I read your comments concerning Donofrio having certain information. I just thought about this today. I think I recall having come across a link to Burg's blog. Maybe, if we can track that down and get this information to Berg, he will be more than able to get it to Donofrio. The two of them have more than likely consulted one another since news broke that they are both in the hunt for Obama's certification documents.

jeleasure said...

Here is a link to a man who has a personal relationship with Donofrio.
It may be worth a shot to see if you can contact him as a means to relay concerns and information.
Link via Donofrio's friend