Wednesday, October 14, 2009

Love is Here

Come to the water
You who thirst
And you'll thirst no more
Come to the father
You who work
And you'll work no more
And all you who labor in vain
And to the broken and shamed

Chorus
Love is here
Love is now
Love is pouring from His hands
From His brow
Love is near
It satisfies
Streams of mercy flowing from His side

'Cause love is here

Come to the treasure
You who search
And you'll search no more
Come to the lover
You who want
And you'll want no more, no
And all you who labor in vain
And to the broken and shamed
Yeah

Chorus


And to the bruised and fallen
Captives bound and broken hearted
He is the Lord
He is the Lord, yeah
By his stripes
He's paid our ransom
From His wounds we drink salvation
He is the Lord
He is the Lord

Chorus
Love is here
Love is now
Love is pouring from His hands
From His brow

Love is near
It satisfies
Streams of mercy flowing from His side
Streams of mercy flowing from His side

'Cause love is here
Love is here

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Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. - Jesus Christ

15 comments:

Anti-gag said...

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Hi Christine

Here's a good video I found on YouTube about religion, you might like to view it and see what you think.

”God in my life”

I think it makes a lot of good common sense don't you?

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

American youth: Young gifted and passionate about religion. ”Fiery lady”
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Christinewjc said...

Chris,

Answered prayer occurs according to God's will for our lives. Sometimes His answer is "yes," sometimes "no," and sometimes "later."

There are also answered prayers that may not be perceived by certain men as answers (as in the case of titanium steel to replace an amputee's leg), but should be considered that way.

It seems to me that you consider man's reason (and thus, your particular reasoning abilities) higher than God's wisdom and knowledge. The thing that is wrong with that is that logical reasoning is not an absolute law which governs the universe. Logic is not a set of rules which govern bahavior - which is so obvious through observing sinful man.

Your equivocating on the subject of "reason" does not allow for deciding whether logic is the right tool for the job. There are other ways to communucate, discuss and debate.

You ignore the spiritual aspect of existence and the fact that we, as mortal men, "see as through a glass darkly." We only see the underside of the magnificent tapestry that God is weaving towards eternity. When we focus on Jesus Christ and the Gospel of salvation - everything else pales in comparison.

You seem to be also saying that if reason be delusive, why should some folks (Christians, in particular) reason against the use of reason?

You unwittingly make my point. A non-believer cannot reason beyond delusion. (I noticed that you are a fan of "The God Delusion" author) Therefore Isa 1:18 is only referring to His believers.

Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.

Because I wouldn't trade my own salvation to relieve my own current health problems, I would imagine that a fellow born again Christian who happens to be an amputee would most likely not want to trade places with a non-believer who has a whole leg.

Christinewjc said...

Correction for clarity:

"You seem to be also saying that if reason (for the Christian believer) is considered delusive by atheists, why should some folks (Christians, in particular) not be accused of reasoning against the use of reason?"

Answer: "You unwittingly make my point. A non-believer cannot reason beyond delusion. (I noticed that you are a fan of "The God Delusion" author) Therefore Isa 1:18 is only referring to His (God's) believers.

Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.

Because I wouldn't trade my own salvation to relieve my own current health problems, I would imagine that a fellow born again Christian who happens to be an amputee would most likely not want to trade places with a non-believer who has a whole leg.

Anti-gag said...

Hi Christinwjc,

You really do have this delusion of religion bad don't you? (no offence meant)

I was unable to follow the logic (if indeed there was any) in your post, but I gather you think God might condemn a disabled person for accepting a leg if it meant this would shake his/her faith. But why doesn't God replace legs as a matter of course anyway (no skin off his nose is it. there is an answer of course and its a very simple one: God is a man-made delusion.

As for salvation through Jesus Christ, think about it:
God sends his son (who is also himself remember) down to earth to suffer for sins he didn't commit. This offers me salvation for sins that I didn't commit, and that are only sins in Gods eyes anyway. If I want to collect firewood on a Sunday what's it got to do with God.

This is just too silly for words, I can't discuss such nonsense. God (Jesus who is his own son) dies for my sins (sins he defined), and which I was guilty of thousands of years before I was born.

Religon is total nonsense. Please brake out of you bubble of delsion.

Keep well
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Christinewjc said...

Chris wrote (italics):

"You really do have this delusion of religion bad don't you? (no offence meant)

If no offense was meant, why write it?

"I was unable to follow the logic (if indeed there was any) in your post,

That's because you aren't using the correct tool for the conversation. OK - I'll give you the answer. It has to do with faith.

but I gather you think God might condemn a disabled person for accepting a leg if it meant this would shake his/her faith."

No. that is not what I wrote. Read it again.

"But why doesn't God replace legs as a matter of course anyway (no skin off his nose is it."

Because God isn't going to be your "genie," doing as YOU or anyone of us commands.

"there is an answer of course and its a very simple one: God is a man-made delusion"

God's answer to you is found in his word:

Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Pro 9:10 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy [is] understanding.
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 33:6 And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, [and] strength of salvation: the fear of the LORD [is] his treasure.
[FYI - the term "fear" in these verses means reverence.]

"As for salvation through Jesus Christ, think about it:
God sends his son (who is also himself remember) down to earth to suffer for sins he didn't commit. This offers me salvation for sins that I didn't commit, and that are only sins in Gods eyes anyway."


You claim to be without sin? Go take The Good Test. Let me know how you do!

"This is just too silly for words, I can't discuss such nonsense."

You are the one who showed up here. Dismissing the conversation that YOU STARTED is just an excuse to get out of it.

"Religon is total nonsense. Please brake out of you bubble of delsion."

You might want to learn how to spell, otherwise people may not take you seriously.

Gary Baker said...

Hi Christine,

I just watched part of that Fiery Girl video. She certainly is fiery. It's a shame that she's so deluded. Probably the work of Kevin and his ilk. For example, her bit about how church's are tax free so they increase the tax burden on everyone. What she fails to acknowledge, probably because she has never been taught, is that regular church attenders give four times as much to charity in money, volunteer time, skilled labor, etc., as non-church attenders. The cost of replacing these services at government expense would be a great deal more than the supposed loss. She also talks about "capricious" laws, singling out "Blue Laws." I guess she hasn't been taught that countries that embraced atheism don't just restrict a few buying opportunities on Sunday, but regularly kill their citizenry by the million. The following post dealing with Mao is an excellent example. It's ashamed that the education system has failed her so badly. She has spirit.

Anti-gag said...

Hi Christinwjc,

You said:
"You might want to learn how to spell, otherwise people may not take you seriously."

I say:
Yes you have me there, I did mistype the word delusion. So I guess that that proves the existence of God. Well it's as good (if not more so) as any other of the other proof for his/her existence I suppose.

Seriously I'm just back from the pub (it's 1 am here) so I'm going to leave the rest of my response until tomorrow (when I'm sober). But I do appreciate you taking the time to respond, and I will get back to you ASAP.

Keep well
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Anti-gag said...

Hi Christinwjc,

You said:
"You are the one who showed up here. Dismissing the conversation that YOU STARTED is just an excuse to get out of it."

I say:
Yes that's a good point; I did turn up out of the blue and start the debate off, and totally uninvited at that. However when I said I couldn't go on discussing the Bible, I wasn't saying that I wouldn't like to continue the debate about why people believe in a God. I was simply dismissing the Bible as being a legitimate proof of his/her existence. But if you think you have even the slightest evidence that the Bible is any more than a cobbled together digest of fairy tales, written over a period of thousands of years, by scientifically ignorant peasants, then I'd love to hear it.

To me religion demonstrates only the power of "Group Think" (Sometimes called "The Kings new clothes syndrome"). Is there really anything in our world (or out of it for that matter) that isn't far better explained by reason and science than by God?

Keep well
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

PS.
Once again please forgive any grammatical mistakes, I'm simply terrible at proof reading my own work.

Gary Baker said...

"But if you think you have even the slightest evidence that the Bible is any more than a cobbled together digest of fairy tales, written over a period of thousands of years, by scientifically ignorant peasants, then I'd love to hear it."

How about this:

1. The Bible describes outlines for a healthy diet long before anyone knew anything about nutrition science.

2. Christ predicted the destruction of the temple decades before it's destruction.

3. Revelation describes the coming of an army 200,000,000 strong, a number unthinkable in the ancient world, yet very attainable by the modern country of China.

4. Psalms describes the earth as a ball or sphere long before anyone thought of it as anything but flat.

Christinewjc said...

Thank you Gary, for your answer here and in the other thread. Anti-gag and his antics were making me gag - literally!

He reminds me of a younger (and more clueless) version of GMPilot.

His motives are just too obvious to deserve any more attention - IMO. But I do admire you for at least attempting to get through to him.

Anti-gag said...

Dear Gary Baker,

You said:
1. The Bible describes outlines for a healthy diet long before anyone knew anything about nutrition science.

2. Christ predicted the destruction of the temple decades before it's destruction.

3. Revelation describes the coming of an army 200,000,000 strong, a number unthinkable in the ancient world, yet very attainable by the modern country of China.

4. Psalms describes the earth as a ball or sphere long before anyone thought of it as anything but flat.

I say:
1.
Where does the Bible define a healthy diet, and by what means have you ascertained that others had not realised that a diet (ie a good amount of fruit and vegetables) was conducive to good health well before that.

2.
What Temple and did he specify the exact date and cause of its destruction? Anyone can predict that any building will eventually come down, it just takes time (ie decades).

3.
The Chinese army is reported to be around 3.5 million most of who are part time poorly trained conscripts, this is less than 2% of the prophecy. But of course wait long enough and there may, one day, be an army that large, but so what?

4.
Once again so what? I'm also told that the Bible also describes the sky as a crystal doom that rests on a column of stone, or some such totally ambiguous nonsense.

But this is the point, with such wild interpretation anything can be read into it. But face facts, without such wild interpretation (and even with it) the Bible is total nonsense.

Keep well
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Ps.
Want to see what religion really leads to, then just view this video:
”Religion in the UK”

Gary Baker said...

Hi Gag -

1. Please show me a place where other cultures had determined any type of diet as one that should be prescribed. In the book of Daniel, the man in charge of the Jewish men chosen to serve the king seemed to think that just the opposite would be true, that the men would look worse than those who ate from the kings type of food, and that Babylonians supposedly had an advanced culture at the time. Also, find another culture at the time please that referenced cleanliness and hygiene of any type in foods. We know that such things are essential to control disease, but of course they had no idea of such things.

2. During his ministry period, approximately AD 30, Christ predicted that the temple still under construction would be torn down so that not one stone would remain on top of each other. The prophecy was fulfilled later than century when Roman soldiers sacked the temple. As for your comment "Anyone can predict that any building will eventually come down, it just takes time (ie decades)," anyone can make it these days because we have written history of the past. Start looking for historians or historical writings where people predicted the destruction of particular monuments. I don't think you'll find many. The reason is that such predictions only seem "reasonable" to 21th century historians, not the people of the first century or many later centuries. The kings and tyrants who built them did so with the idea that they would last.

3. Again, look for other prophecies that mentioned plausible numbers. While the standing army is considerably less, how many conscripts do you think they could field on short notice, particularly if a sudden great need was discovered. Granted, this is very subjective. I hope I never see it fulfilled.

4. The so what is precisely what I stated: No one had any idea what the nature of the planets was or space. No one had any idea that the number of stars of the sky were as grains of sand by the sea in number either. As you look up, you can only see a few thousand, yet we know that the number is almost too high to count. Yet God promised Abraham that his descendants would be "like the sands of the sea" and "the "stars of the sky," too high to count.

I think you should face facts. It genuinely saddens me to see a fellow engineer so resistant to analysis. Are you a government employee by chance? If it is almost impossible to get fired, I understand that there is a tendency to let the reasoning skills atrophy.

Christinewjc said...

Chris Hill -

You do realize that the huge infiltration of radical Islam into the UK is because of lax immigration policies put in place by your "progressive" government leaders - right? They (the Muslims) want to instill Sharia law - which does not allow other religions to exist alongside them peacefully (the way it is allowed in the United States).

Also, Christianity isn't like any other "religion." The faithful worship a risen Savior - Jesus Christ - who is alive today. We invite people to know him.

Islam worships a dead prophet - Mohammed. And their goal is to dominate the world and force people to worship "allah" - a pagan and false god. Those who resist are subject to jihad and death. Just read the Koran and see the "verses" about what they are instructed to do to the "infidel" (all who don't convert to Islam.) The so-called "religion of peace" is everything, and anything but peaceful!

Anti-gag said...

Hi Christinwjc,

Your analysis of the situation is somewhat simplistic, and while I agree that the current UK government's open door immigration policy has made the problem much worse, the origin of the problem goes back more than 60 years.

After the war (WW2) there was a shortage of cheap labour in Britain. Greedy businessmen, anxious to profit from post war shortages, imported cheap immigrant labour regardless of the future consequences to the indigenous population. These immigrants included many from the Caribbean, but also Asians from the then newly independent Pakistan (ie Muslims). Later in the 1960's many African countries (Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Nigeria etc) deported their Asian communities on mass. These Asians (again mainly Muslims) didn't move back to their homeland in the Indian sub continent, but came to settle in the UK (much against the wishes of the indigenous population). But that's all history now, I'm more concerned about the future.

The video below describes how the cult of Islam (for a cult is what Islam is) is spread. Some of the facts it gives are open to agreement, but the general point is still totally valid.
”Islamic threat”

All religions are delusional in nature, but Christianity is in general fairly benign (the likes of the Westborough Baptist Church excepted of course), while the cult of Islam is a menace to the whole world. But be in no doubt a delusional belief in a God (or Gods) is at the heart of the problem.

Keep well
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Anti-gag said...

Hi Christinwjc,

The link below is to an American TV news clip interweaved with parts of my last Youtube video link. In Liverpool (my home town) two Christian hotel owners are being prosecuted for peacefully criticising Islam in their own hotel. While Muslims openly threaten death, in full view of dozens of police officers, against an innocent visiting Dutchman.
"Christian persecution”

As I've already said: all religions are delusional but the cult of Islam is a menace to the whole world.

Keep well
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)