Big News! Osama bin Laden is Dead! [Update 5]

I was driving home from a quick run to the grocery store when I first heard on Geraldo's show that Bin Laden is dead! The first blog on my blogroll to announce this was Atlas Shrugs.

Praise be to God that our brave military continued to pursue the illusive Al Qaeda murderer and mastermind and was finally successful!!!

HT: Atlas Shrugs

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P.S. During Obama's comments tonight, he stated that the events that killed Osama bin Laden happened "today" but the reports say it happened a week ago!! Hmmmm....a teleprompter error? Or was Obama trying to take credit for an event that happened without his influence?

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Update 1

I found a link via WorldNetDaily of photos of the compound after the killings. Warning! Many are bloody and gruesome.

ABC: Photos inside Osama bin Laden kill zone

Update 2

There is also a video

The people are speaking Arabic so I don't know what they were saying.

Also see Osama Bin Laden Killed Near Islamabad.

Hat tip ABC News.

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Update 3


I thought that it was only fair to include some links to what skeptics have written about this news:

Veterans Today: Obama Announces bin Laden Still Dead

[Take special note of what the late Benazir Bhutto said about bin Laden being murdered years ago in a video at above link.]

Stevex09: Osama Bin Laden dead … but the body is conveniently disposed of … in the sea!

Drkatesview: Chess Moves by the CIA

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Update #4 - 5/3/11

I think that the photos of Osama bin Laden's body need to be released. Many Americans need to see if the terrorist is really dead.

News Yahoo: Not everyone believes bin Laden really is dead

Even some Pakistani youths are mocking the U.S. over it!

'Osama is alive!' mock Pakistanis outside compound

Some Pakistanis think "it was faked."

News Yahoo: Bin Laden's luxury hideout raises questions.

And please note that this is NOT coming from a right-wing blog! Quote from end of article:

Many Pakistanis doubted the U.S. account of the raid, with some refusing to believe that bin Laden was dead.

"It is not possible. Like other incidents, I think this is faked," said Mohammad Bashir, a 45-year-old cab driver in Abbottabad. "It seems that in the coming days, suddenly Osama will come out with a statement."

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Associated Press writers Zarar Khan in Abbottabad, Munir Ahmed and Chris Brummitt in Islamabad and Rasool Dawar in Peshawar contributed to this report.

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Update # 5

Just as I published my last update, I found out via Gateway Pundit:

White House to release bin Laden death photo.

Is Zawahiri the "Big Kahuna" Now?

With the surfacing of a "new" Osama bin Hidin' tape, there is now even more reason to doubt that he is still alive. Apparently, the tape is genuine but appears to be 4 - 5 years old. Question: if he is still alive, why would the terrorist organization release a tape of him that is that old? He doesn't mention any of the recent attacks (or attempts, but, of course he wouldn't admit failure on al Qaida's part) and if it turns out to be true that he is dead, does that mean that Al Zawahiri is now the new head honcho?

At this point, I can only speculate on this issue. But the puzzle pieces seem to be fitting quite well.

1. If you type in "Osama bin Laden dead" in a search engine, over 2 million sites pop up. Since none of us have the time to search out that many sites, I will include a few links that I had found in my brief search.

a. Gateway Pundit

b. Kaleej Times states that:

‘According to a usually reliable source, the Saudi intelligence services are said to have acquired the information that Osama bin Laden is dead. The information gleaned by the Saudis indicates that the head of Al Qaeda was a victim of a very strong attack of thyphoid... in Pakistan on August 23, 2006.’

The document goes on to say that bin Laden’s geographical isolation rendered all medical assistance impossible.

My post has been interrupted by "mouse failure!" So, I will need to finish this later.

Meanwhile, when I borrowed my husband's computer, I noticed that LGF has a post about this same speculation that OBL is dead.

c. One last point. Doesn't it seem eerie that several muslim doctors have recently been involved with al Qaida activities? It kinda destroys the idea that those involved in Radical Islamic Jihad are only the "disenfranchised," "uneducated," "poor," "evil-minded," and "desperate." However, it seems that the leadership members never strap bombs on themselves or drive car bombs into throngs of people. They preach martyrdom for the minions (mostly young males) who have been DUPED:

Disenfranchised
Uneducated
Poor
Evil-minded
Desperate

into the cause of Radical Islamic Terrorism and Jihad.

But the cowardly "leaders" live on.

Except for those, of course, who have already been killed by our brave military personnel.

And, probably, Osama Bin Dead.

More at Hot Air

Hot Air Trackback URL:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/14/new-osama-video-released/

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Perhaps Michele Malkin was correct back in 2006 when she wrote about that gathering of Taliban Leaders at a funeral.

Note: The "France" link at my "Is Bin-Laden dead?" blogpost is no longer available. Go here.

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Update:

Newsmax sent an email alert that included the following:

Osama’s ‘Army of Doctors and Engineers’

Many British citizens were shocked to learn that most of the Muslims arrested in connection with the London and Glasgow terrorist plots are medical doctors. But one former jihadist is not surprised at all.

Ed Husain, author of "The Islamist: Why I Joined Radical Islam in Britain, What I Saw Inside and Why I Left," said that he attended extremist Islamist meetings with dozens of medical students at the Royal London Hospital, and Islamists studied at almost every British medical school and at Britain’s most prestigious engineering schools as well.

And “yesterday’s Islamists are today’s terrorists,” he writes in an opinion piece for Newsweek.

Husain points out that many prominent figures in the world of terrorism have had technical training. Osama bin Laden ran a construction company; his al-Qaida deputy Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri is a pediatrician; the 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a mechanical engineer; lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta was an urban planning student in Germany.

“Without exception, Islamist movements attract urbanites with a secular, technical educational background,” writes Husain, who believes he knows the reasons why: "In the Arab world, the parental and social pressures on young people to pursue medical and engineering careers only compounds the misery of creative young minds, forced to study subjects under duress.

"Thousands of undergraduates seek greater meaning in life, an experience beyond the mundane necessities of medicine, and a purpose that occupies their free time. Islamist networks neatly slot into this void.

“As a teacher at the University of Damascus in Syria, I listened to the frustrations of my students who yearned to study subjects that interested them: literature, philosophy, theology, history, or art. But becoming a doctor was the only way to please their parents, attain high social status, and in many cases, escape the Arab world and live in the West. Sadly, often that ‘escape’ radicalizes young Arabs.”

Husain asserts in Newsweek that what he calls the increasingly prevalent “do-it-yourself (DIY) attitude” of doctors and engineers to the study of Islam, without the direction of trained theologians, produces “desperate, angry suicide bombers devoid of spiritual guidance . . ."

Editor's Note:
Expert Says Nuclear '9/11' Is in the Works — Go Here.

Perhaps it is more likely Zawahiri's "army of doctors and engineers." After all, Zawahiri is a physician (or, used to be a pediatrician) so perhaps now that he's leading al Qaida, he is busy using his buddies in the Jihadist causes.

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UPDATE July 17, 2007:

This is very interesting:

Breaking Al-Qaeda Code Islamically: New OBL Video Possibly Announcement Of His Death

Ex-Taliban Militant's Story Sounds Fishy to Me

There is nothing like old news to get people speculating again. I, for one, must confess that I am guilty as charged.

I read this article entitled Afghanistan: Bin Laden hiding in border mountains, claims ex-Taliban militant.

How many times have we either heard or read about this on the news? Dozens if not hundreds!!

Could this so-called ex?-Taliban militant just be a "plant" to get the speculation of Bin Laden's death off of the minds of Americans? I would think that the only ex-Taliban militants that exist are ten feet under...dead and buried.

What I find especially curious in the article is this portion:

"I saw him for the last time on 17 September 2003 not far from Dir, my village, " he said. "His caravan was moving slowly. They told me he was not well. They didn't seem worried about being detected by the Americans."

Wouldn't that one comment make the entire article old news?

This ex-militant obviously wouldn't even know what had happened to Bin Laden since that date!

I smell something very fishy about this "militant's" story.

I still think that Bin Hidin' has Bin Dead since August or September of 2006. Wouldn't it have been poetic justice if he died on September 11th? I know. More speculation. Since the classified French report was leaked sometime about Sept. 23rd, it is more likely that the monstermind would have died closer to that date.

It's just too much of a coincidence that the Taliban held such a huge funeral in Sept. 2006 if Bin Hidin' was still alive.

See the following former posts:

Is Bin Laden Dead?

Is Zawahiri the "Big Kahuna" Now?

Osama Bin Dead Still Propagandizing

Additional links:

Michele Malkin's "What the...?!!!!

Stop the ACLU's Osama Bin Laden Dead? (tons of additional links)

TownHall's - AP France Unconfirmed Report: Osama bin Laden Dead? (Update: Saudi Sources Say He's Very Ill) (more links there, too)

But Now, The Serious News Roundup (Eve Update)

A Place to Ask Questions To Get the Right Answers: Activity in Kerchner v. Obama Case - Motion to Extend Time, Move, or Otherwise Respond & Declaration of Counsel Filed By Defendents

Excerpt:

The defendants have already had over two months to answer, move, or otherwise respond. As of the current deadline of May 5th they will have had 75 days from the time they were served to respond. In our opinion, that is an adequate amount of time to answer or move or other wise respond. An objection will be filed to this second request by the defendants for a further extension of time.

How many ways can they continue to stall the inevitable?

Plus, to keep updated on all that is going on in the eligibility cases, see the dozens of post over at On The Right Side of Life- ESPECIALLY the following article that was posted on Sunday:

TulsaToday: “Obama’s First 100 Days in Trust”

And don't miss The New York Post: 100 days, 100 mistakes for Barack Obama

I wonder how many people are now realizing how very badly they were duped into voting for the usurper? How many are now seeing that the Lamestream Media will continue to prop up this teleprompter reading dummy and make it seem like his first 100 days have been successful?

Even other countries have noticed Obama's stupidity and incompetence!

Obama makes former President Bush look like a genius in comparison! Of course all presidents make mistakes. No president is perfect (Reagan was close and we now realize, more than ever, what a gem we had when he was our President!!!) but dare I say that Obama shows every indication that he is PURPOSELY TRYING TO DESTROY AMERICA!

On The Right Side of Life blog owner, Phil, has included commentary at the end of his post (above link) that reveals how obvious this is becoming. The proper name for Obama's terrible actions is called TREASON! Here's a copy of Phil's commentary:

Suffice it to say that issues such as eligibility are not going away. Furthermore, it is equally true and, I would wager, even more so if, in fact, this President truly does decide to shut down Guantanamo Bay, CIA “black” holding sites around the world, and otherwise continues to both signal and act in a way that severly diminishes America’s ability to protect and defend herself against her enemies, he will work this country towards being exceptionally exposed to attack.

And please do be aware of that, my fellow readers. While there is a difference between having an adversary (someone who merely disagrees with your stances) and having an enemy (someone who doesn’t just disagree with your viewpoint but is acting in some way to either specifically encumber you or, worse, destroy you), America doesn’t just exist because pieces of paper such as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution say that it should.

Remember: any law that people make must be enforced. Otherwise, it is merely writing on a piece of paper that simply sounds good, chock full of good intentions. Laws must be enforced and, ultimately, the awesomely effective and efficient forces of the American military are her greatest offense and defense against her enemies.

Not only this, but whether the issue is eligibility or some other wrong that has been hoisted upon the American People and States can be quite easily rectified via the Bill of Rights. It must be understood by all that only States and the American People have rights; the federal government has none. The federal government only has those powers and authority specifically and expressly enumerated within the Constitution; any and all other such powers and authority are reserved to the States or the People to carry out.

Anyone is completely within their right to question their elected leadership anything they wish for the truth. To suggest that any such questioning is wrong or should be condemned is, in my opinion, being unpatriotic (after all, how else is one to hold those who govern us into account?) and being essentially treasonous.

“But, Phil, that’s such a strong word. How can someone be ‘treasonous’ if they’re saying that either you shouldn’t question politicians or that you’re wrong for doing so?” Quite simply, if the American People see wrongdoing on behalf of their elected leaders, and if the federal government will do nothing about it, and if the States aren’t doing anything about it, then, per the Bill of Rights — specifically the 10th Amendment — it is the obligation of the People to uphold the Constitution.

If the People do not uphold the Constitution against elected leaders who are acting unconstitutionally, then it is the People who are actually being treasonous, because it is expressly within their right to do so and subsequently can only blame themselves for such unconstitutional failings.

Even worse, when — not if — another terrorist attack befalls our great country, those who have not held their elected officials to account will have the blood of fellow Americans on their hands.

I think America’s founding fathers were absolutely serious about the type of government they were intending to form. It is the greatest and most demonstrative form of individual government ever created. Yet, if we, the People do not question for the truth, that government shall surely begin the process of disappearing from the earth.

Fortunately, there is a growing number of American citizens who are going to do everything in our collective power to make sure that doesn’t happen.

Hat Tips:

A Place to Ask Questions To Get the Right Answers

The New York Post: 100 days, 100 mistakes for Barack Obama

On The Right Side of Life

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Update:

Nice Deb: Pakistans President Say Bin Laden Could be Dead

Assorted bloggers and military analysts have been saying this for years, but this is the first time I’ve heard it from a Pakistani leader.

I have been one of the bloggers who has thought that Bin Laden has been dead for years.

Former posts:

Ex-Taliban Militants Story Sounds Fishy

I still think that Bin Hidin' has Bin Dead since August or September of 2006. Wouldn't it have been poetic justice if he died on September 11th? I know. More speculation. Since the classified French report was leaked sometime about Sept. 23rd, it is more likely that the monstermind would have died closer to that date.It's just too much of a coincidence that the Taliban held such a huge funeral in Sept. 2006 if Bin Hidin' was still alive.

See the following former posts:

Is Bin Laden Dead?Is Zawahiri the "Big Kahuna" Now?
Osama Bin Dead Still Propagandizing

Additional links:

Michele Malkin's "What the...?!!!!Stop the ACLU's Osama Bin Laden Dead? (tons of additional links)

TownHall's - AP France Unconfirmed Report: Osama bin Laden Dead? (Update: Saudi Sources Say He's Very Ill) (more links there, too)

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Update at 7:48 p.m. PT

Some post links from my reading list that you must read!!!

Swine Flu Vaccination Propaganda from 1976
posted by evil@evilconservativeonline.com (Evil Conservative) at Evil Conservative Radio - 37 minutes ago

Here's an interesting collection of videos from the Swine Flu Pandemic Panic of 1976. All outbreaks of new flu strains have the potential to become serious threats... but then so do a lot of things. To wat...

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The following is the absolute worst!!! Horrible!! Heartbreaking! Disgusting!! and typical of the evil Islamic cult-of-death terrorist mindset!!!

Terrorist Mommy Blows Herself Up With Toddler In Emergency Food Line
posted by Gateway Pundit at Gateway Pundit - 1 hour ago

While the American media was focusing on prosecuting the Bush regime for splashing water on terrorists, they missed this story. An Iraqi mommy with her toddler blew up in an emergency food line in Iraq th...

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Wiretaps go mobile to catch cell conversations
posted by thejetman1.nospam@nospam.hotmail.com (defendusx) at Repubx - 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON -- Law enforcement has gone mobile in its pursuit of wiretaps, as more Americans rely on their cell phones to communicate even in possibly criminal cases. A report issued Monday shows that 94 ...

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FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic
posted by thejetman1.nospam@nospam.hotmail.com (defendusx) at Repubx - 2 hours ago

Threatened Federal Sanctions Against NYPD, Secret Service, FBI & Mayor's Office If Secret Ever Got Out A furious USurper Barack Obama ordered an internal review (internal - of course!) of Monday's low-fl...

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Albert Mohler’s finest

posted by gcmwatch at Gay Christian Movement Watch - 2 hours ago
I had been meaning to get to this. Its Albert Mohler’s post No Truth Without Love, No Love Without Truth. It should be supersized, framed and hung in the foyer of every church in America. The times demand ...

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FAA Memo: Feds Knew Flyover Would Cause Panic-- Did It Anyway!
posted by Gateway Pundit at Gateway Pundit - 2 hours ago

White House officials knew that the flyover New York City would cause a panic but did it anyway. The White House officials also ordered the flyover be kept secret. The flyover caused a panic in the street...

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The Annihilation of Marriage-Part One
posted by Alan Keyes at Alan Keyes is LOYAL TO LIBERTY - 4 hours ago

Yesterday Iowa became the third state in the Union where individuals can receive a legal document purporting to confer on two people of the same sex the legal status of a married couple. A combination of...

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Iraqi Government Releases Photo of Captured Al-Qaeda Leader
posted by Gateway Pundit at Gateway Pundit - 4 hours ago

Undated handout released April 28, 2009, shows Abu Omar al-Baghdadi. Iraq has confirmed the identity of a suspect captured last week as Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, believed to be head of the Islamic State of Ir...

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ISRAEL
posted by joelcrosenberg at Joel Rosenberg's Weblog - 7 hours ago

On the Western calendar, Israel was reborn as a nation on May 14, 1948. But today marks the 61st birthday of the modern Jewish State on the Jewish calendar. Let us be praying for the peace of Jerusalem an...

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Good Riddance, RINO
posted by nicedeb at Nice Deb - 7 hours ago

I’m not too broken up about this. The Dems had the “whole 60-vote fillibuster-proof majority thing” even when he was with us. Thanks to TOTUS for the ’shop. Related: I see IOWNTHEWORLD is having a little b...

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After 100 Days... Obama Is the Second Most Reviled President in 40 Years
posted by Gateway Pundit at Gateway Pundit - 8 hours ago

*The radical Barack Obama ran as a moderate.* At each of the three presidential debates he promised to cut the US deficit. *Instead,* Obama will quadruple the deficit this year. If you look past his cheerl...

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Showing His True Colors
posted by Matt W. at Thoughts, Commentary, and other various ramblings. - 8 hours ago

Many of us have been trying to get the point across for some time now that just because some politicians call themselves Republicans does not meant that they actually ascribe to classic Republican values, ...

Osama Bin Dead Still Propagandizing

I find it odd that Osama Bin Hidin’ (who I actually believe has Bin Dead for quite a while now) still talks about Donald Rumsfeld as Sec. of Defense and doesn’t even mention Robert Gates who was nominated (and subsequently confirmed) back in November of 2006.

I wonder. Is it just a coincidence that Osama rama ding dong was rumored to be dead around the same time??

I read the entire transcript (found via Hot Air) and there is nothing in there that could not have been recorded earlier. In fact, it appeared to be a rambling piece of propaganda and most of it could have been recorded over a year ago.

Since we don’t actually hear Bin Laden’s voice (which is a wise move by the media, btw), could the one paragraph that discusses Brown and Sarkozy have been added by someone else? If that were found to be true, would our government be better off telling us about it or keeping it classified? Hmmm….

And…don’t even let me get started on Bin Lunatic's stupid rant at the end where he claims that Jesus is a “prophet of allah” and Jesus and Mary are mentioned in the “nobel” (more accurately, some sections plagarized from the Bible) Quran.

What a propagandist piece of s**t that is!!!

Sorry. It makes me angry when terrorist leaders talk about Jesus as if they had any clue regarding the truth!

I am honored, actually, to be a part of the “neoconservatives” that such filthy terrorists hate.

HT: Hot Air

Also see:

LGF's Osama Bin Laden - A Chomsky Fan

Helicopter Crash Killing SEAL Team 6 Members Seems Fishy

Honestly?? I do not know WHAT to believe anymore. That is why this post is one of my "Talk Wisdom Reports - You Decide" links to a blog that counters the Media of Mass Deception explanations of everything being done by the Obama Regime. I was busy all day today and did not see the news on T.V., the radio, or the Internet until just now. When I heard about the Helicopter crash killing 30 Americans I got sick to my stomach!

Fox News:
Helicopter Crash in Afghanistan Reportedly Kills Members of SEAL Team 6

The whole Bin Laden raid, killing, and dumping the body in the sea seemed fishy to many bloggers. Some are even convinced that it was all a hoax - and absolute sham! I would not put it past this evil administration to make up the entire story of Bin Laden's demise. Ms. Ann Barnhardt seems convinced that it was all a ruse. Read Ann Barnhardt's last four posts and you will understand why I am even more sick to my stomach tonight!!

Like Ann, I thought that Bin Laden was dead years ago...probably from kidney disease...and since no official announcement was made, our sitting pResident in the White House decided he needed to take attention about from his latest fraudulent act and do something "big" to shift public attention away.

I hope to God that what Ann has written isn't true. But this sick feeling in my gut tells me that the Obama regime would do ANYTHING to cover up their evil and stay in power.

Excerpts from the four posts:

1. Obama commissions Hollywood pic on OBL Raid
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - August 6, AD 2011 9:48 PM MST
Yep. Published this very day, written by uber-leftist Maureen Dowd of the New York Times. The Obama regime has commissioned a major motion picture about the fake Bin Laden raid. The film will be released . . . October 12, 2012.
Guys, we're into full-blown Leni Reifenstahl territory now.

Here's the link to the Dowd piece. I am linking to page 2 of 2 because that's where the stuff about the movie is, but do read the whole thing.
Read up.

Sounds harmless, right? Read on.

2. Update: Bin Laden Raid Story Being Debunked
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - August 6, AD 2011 8:04 PM MST
Via BigPeace.com, the widely read cover story published in the New Yorker on August 1 by Nicholas Schmidle supposedly detailing the entire Bin Laden raid is being exposed as a fraud. And if you read the debunking piece linked below, you will see that the author C. Christine Fair is no conservative and even calls anti-sharia legislation in the U.S. "ludicrous and shameful." If you aren't familiar with the New Yorker magazine, it is an uber-liberal mouthpiece for the Obama regime.
Read up.

3. The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 1)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - August 6, AD 2011 4:08 PM MST
You're damn right I said it.
On May 5th I had an email conversation with a retired military man with spook contacts. All were in total agreement that the Bin Laden episode was pure theater. The SEALS were sent into a compound as evidenced by the lost chopper on site. But Osama Bin Laden wasn't in that compound. Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. Bin Laden had a genetic condition that caused renal failure (this genetic condition is common among deeply inbred Saudi arab muslims). Bin Laden had been on dialysis BEFORE 9/11. Dialysis is difficult enough for people in first world countries who can have it done in outstanding facilities. Bin Laden was having it done either in caves or in homes post 9/11. People in renal failure having dialysis done in fricking caves do NOT live for ten more years. Period. There was no dialysis equipment found in the compound the SEALS raided on May 2. Of course there wasn't. Bin Laden wasn't in that compound because Bin Laden has been dead for years.

This is why the "body" was declared "positively identified" faster than any known DNA testing process in existence - and this DNA testing was carried out not in a lab mind you, but inside Chinook and/or V-22 Osprey helos en route to the USS Carl Vinson. The body was then dumped into the Indian Ocean in a mad dash to ensure that "burial" took place within 24 hours of death in order to "honor" musloid burial traditions. Not a single picture of the so-called "Bin Laden corpse" has ever been released - and never will.

The entire Bin Laden episode was stagecraft. It was pure theater that was designed to give Obama a boost in the polls and give distraction and cover. Distract from what? Cover from what?

April 20, 2011: The release date of Dr. Jerome Corsi's book, "Where's the Birth Certificate" is announced as May 17, and pre-sales begin on Amazon.com. Corsi's work is known to be extremely thorough and meticulous. Within hours, Corsi's book is #1 on Amazon.com - fully 28 days before its release. The Obama regime is panicked.

April 27, 2011: In order to diffuse and undercut the Corsi book, the Obama regime releases a PDF image purported to be a scan of his original long-form Hawaiian birth certificate. Within hours, thousands of graphic designers, many of whom are self-professed Obama voters and supporters, isolate and demonstrate with dozens of objective proof sets that the PDF released by the Obama regime is not just a forgery, but an astoundingly incompetent and obvious forgery.

It gets worse....

4. The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 2)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - August 6, AD 2011 4:07 PM MST
August 6, 2011: A Chinook helo is shot down in Tangi, Wardak Province, Afghanistan. Within hours, before family notifications could possibly have been completed, global press accounts positively confirm that 22 of the 30 Americans killed were not just SEALS, but members of SEAL Team 6. Again, DEVGRU operations have been, up until now, highly classified. Today, the Obama regime made a point of immediately revealing the unit identities of the SPECOPS forces among the dead.
In the past, DEVGRU men and other SPECOPS men have been killed in action, but their missions were so secret and so crucial to OPSEC that their deaths were covered-up by the government and attributed to such things as “training accidents” and the like – and I have no problem with that. These men understand going in to intense units such as DEVGRU that OPSEC is paramount, that they will never be publicly acknowledged for their heroism, and that if they are killed or captured in action, the government will lie about that in order to protect OPSEC and to prevent the enemy from gaining a propaganda and morale coup. Compare that reality with what happened today. The Obama regime distributed this information, and the Obama regime’s lapdog press instantly splashed headlines declaring this as the Taliban’s “REVENGE” for the “death of Bin Laden.” As I write this now, the Drudge Report headline in bright red reads, “REVENGE: SEALS WHO GOT OSAMA KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN.”

I’ll say what everyone else is thinking but is too scared to say. The Obama regime is almost certainly directly complicit in these deaths. The time, location and most especially, the PASSENGERS in the Chinook were passed to the Taliban. Additionally, you can’t take out a Chinook with small arms fire or even standard RPGs such as the Taliban use. The Taliban needed serious weaponry to take this helo down, and that serious weaponry needed to be in exactly the right spot at exactly the right time, ready to fire.

Why would the Obama regime kill Americans? I think the question is, why WOULDN’T the Obama regime kill Americans? The Obama regime is composed of Marxist-Leninist psychopaths. A glancing, superficial survey of 20th century history shows one glaring fact above all others: MARXISTS MURDER PEOPLE WITHOUT COMPUNCTION. Marxists also hate Americans, by definition. Three tacks:

1. The men on board the Chinook may have been the same men who participated or had direct knowledge of the staged Bin Laden raid and were killed to permanently silence them. See my email exchange of May 5 above.

2. These DEVGRU men were killed to send a signal to the surviving DEVGRU men who carried out the Bin Laden raid to keep their mouths shut.

3. Certainly, the release of the unit identity of the dead within hours – before even family notification could have been made (which requires an IN PERSON visit to the family, remember) was an obvious bow to Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the entire muslim world. This event was INSTANTLY propagandized by the Obama media as “revenge” exacted for Bin Laden’s death. And remember, Bin Laden has been dead for many years. The raid of May 2 was pure stagecraft to distract the world from the release of the forged Obama birth certificate.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I can’t stand Alex Jones or any 9/11 truther. I have turned down dozens of interviews with such types. In fact, I am a huge believer in the Lex Parsimoniae, which is sometimes called “Occam’s Razor”, which states that the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. I teach this as part of my job, namely that the cattle markets are neither manipulated nor impossible to operate within at a profit. The reality is that the cattle industry participants do not make money because they are functionally incompetent. It is very, very simple. True conspiracies are very rare.

This entire Obama situation is a conspiracy, and I say that without the slightest hesitation. Obama is not a citizen of the United States, he is a puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Leninsts including Soros, Ayers, Dohrn, Strong, Jarrett and many, many others. These people are enemies of the United States. These people are deeply psychologically damaged, and are capable of ordering people murdered in order to protect themselves and increase their own power. The three dead homosexual black men from Trinity United Church of Christ, Young, Bland and Spencer, all of whom were sexually linked to Barack Obama, were probably the first people specifically murdered by the Obama regime. The hundreds of Mexicans and the two American agents Terry and Zapata were murdered by Operation Fast and Furious in order to advance and increase the power of the Obama regime. These SEALS and the others on board that Chinook today were almost certainly betrayed and murdered by the Obama regime.

Why did the Obama regime immediately reveal the unit identity of the SPECOPS forces involved in the first place, despite the fact that DEVGRU was highly classified? Why was the personnel composition of the Chinook released IMMEDIATELY today after the helo went down – before even family notifications could be made? WHY? Why would you hand your enemy, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, a massive propaganda coup? WHY?

I’ll tell you why. Because the Obama regime IS THE ENEMY. They are Marxist tyrants who hold the lives of Americans not just cheap, but in scathing contempt. They will say anything, they will do anything, and they will murder ANYONE in order to protect themselves and consolidate and increase their power. Please, I beg you, for the love of God and all that is good in this world, read the history of the Soviet Union. Read about Lenin and Stalin and how they murdered people without any hesitation. Read about how Hitler was constantly ordering the murder of his own officers. Read about Communist China. Read about Mao and the millions upon tens of millions of murders he ordered. Read about the killing fields of the Communist Khmer Rouge in Cambodia led by Pol Pot. PLEASE. Marxists MURDER PEOPLE. That is what they do. The Obama regime is MARXIST to the bone. If the Obama regime is not stopped, the 30 Americans murdered today in Afghanistan will be just the beginning. I promise you that.

Please go to the link (above, at top of page) and finish reading each post.

Is it too much of a coincidence that SEAL Team 6 members were killed in a shot down helicopter in Afghanistan? I think so...

Praying for the families and loved ones of those brave souls whose earthly lives were lost. Hope that they were each believers in Jesus Christ and are now with Him.

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Daily Thought Pad

Tragedy! Twenty Members of Seal Team Six, the Unit Responsible for Getting Osama Bin Laden, Killed In Afg... Coincidence?

7 hours ago

Atlas Shrugs

In Memoriam August 6, 2011

4 hours ago

Tragedy! Twenty Members of Seal Team Six, the Unit Responsible for Getting Osama Bin Laden, Killed In Afghan Helicopter Crash

posted by Lady Liberty at The Gateway Pundit - 19 hours ago

(Vanity Fair) This was the largest single loss of life ever for SEAL Team Six. Fox News reported - The Associated Press has learned that more than 20 Navy SEALs from the unit that killed Osama bin Laden we...

&Note: MANY comments over at Gateway Pundit reveal the same gut wrenching feeling that this was either planned as a set up for revenge of Bin Laden's death and/or that Obama knew about it before it happened.

Read all of the comments at the GP site. One commentor is claiming that maybe the SEALS deaths were faked? What...like Bin Laden's death? Don't know how that could be pulled off but I wouldn't put ANYTHING past this evil MarxObama monster in the White House.

Here are some of the best comments:

#39 August 6, 2011 at 1:41 pm
WillofLa commented:
I just heard on a news break on the radio that, yes, it was SEAL team 6 who had killed Bin Laden but it wasn’t the very guys who were in on the attack.

This is either the beginning of the cover up, or we need to wait for more info to come out as to who it actually was who got killed.

But dig this, Obama has already sent out his condolences to the families of the guys who were killed. Okay, that’s cool, but he still may have known about this.

Also, #16 has a valid point that our military is full of Muslims who may have leaked this intel to his buddies in the Taliban.

I’m telling you right now, that if the Dept. of the Navy doesn’t find out who did this then we will know that we are all in a world of hurt, that our own Navy with all it’s secret crap that they are involved in, think about all the stuff they’ve designed and use to do all the secret stuff they do, and they wouldn’t be able to find out who it was who leaked the intel?

Otherwise this was just a lucky hit.

#67 August 6, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Bitter Clinger commented:
And just where is our esteemed CIC? Following the downgrade of our credit and the slaughter of our heroic SEALs, he’s hiding in his shell (crib) like a frightened turtle. You recall him racing to the microphones and cameras when the SEALs took down OBL, right? Why isn’t he in front of the MSM now? Inquiring minds want to know. But, he may need a rest given the festivities of the past week and he’s snoozing. All that fund raising and partying at our WH has worn the babe out……awh………

#71 August 6, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Druid commented:
I would think it unlikely to find 20 SEALS in one place at one time – even in the COMMZ

#74 August 6, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Granny commented:
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#71 August 6, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Druid commented:

I would think it unlikely to find 20 SEALS in one place at one time – even in the COMMZ.
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25 – plus an Afgani special ops team.

So...you see - many people are finding this whole thing quite odd.

79 August 6, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Redwine commented:
Commie Panetta moves from the CIA to the Pentagon. Then this happens. There’s no such thing as a coincidence.

For Comrade Dear Leader, it’s just one more excuse to party on.

We are being “nudged”.

#81 August 6, 2011 at 2:30 pm
KOW commented:
So, we are to believe that someone allowed over 20 seals onto a slow moving troop transport aircraft, right into the middle of a fight? If you are going to be dropping them off near the battle, they parachute in, or drop them off in smaller groups with quicker strike and aircraft, Otherwise you drop them off in the slow moving craft a mile a way and they hike it in. I still say you dont put that many elite into one craft, and one slow moving craft that like to crash on its on, and likes to be shot down.

I guess I am Monday morning quarterbacking.
#82 August 6, 2011 at 2:37 pm
succotash commented:
Like the rest of the posters here I do not believe in coincidences. Something smells ! My heart breaks for the families and friends of these brave heroes and they will remain in my prayers. We owe it to them to insist this be investigated to the fullest.

donh commented:
Why were so many of the best of the best flying with ” 7 Afgani commandos ” ? Seems ripe for a security breach. Yet they must have had a very important mission…to kill Zawahiri? Mullah Omar ? August 5th was an extremely sad day in American History.

94 August 6, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Craig commented:
Osama Ben Laden died in December 2001 in an hospital in Saudi Arabia… wake-up! Your illegal President got the navy seals killed to silenced them. Barack needed this false flag killing of Ben Laden, to reboost his presidency. The information had started to leak, and this was Soetoro’s solution. Grow-up!

#95 August 6, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Freddy commented:
There never was a reason for ANYONE to know what seal team six was in the first place.

The politicians in the Obama White House painted a big target on that unit.

We have a sadly inexperienced commander in the White House.

97 August 6, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Baraq Hasan al-Bama commented:
Re SEAL Team 6: the idiot Joe Biden is the one who revealed that they were the unit that executed the bin Laden raid. This is against military SOP. Conclusion: their blood is on Obama administration’s hands.

108 August 6, 2011 at 5:07 pm
ruready? commented:
Guys, there are five events that that just occurred within ~48 hours – but what are the chances that this is just merely a coincidence?

1) We have just had the greatest loss of life since the war in Afghanistan began
2) This loss………. was from the squad of OBL termination heros, Seal Team 6
3) This same day our nation loses its top credit rating (after the Tea Party manhandles Congress, I might add) – and we now have less financial respect than France
4) Thursday we just had the worst day in our stock market since 2008
5) These two events occurred within 48 hours at the end of a week (Thursday and Friday)

Come on. What is going on??

Granny commented:
Whatever it is, I am by trade and training a scientist and I can assure you that there is no such thing as coincidence

What is going on? Look to Europe in 1939 for some hints

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#119 August 6, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Richard Popovich commented:
The fault for this shoot-down lies with the fact that the Obama Administration couldn’t keep their mouths shut about who who conducted the Bin Laden raid. My best guess is that while being a good actor about Bin Laden’s death, Obama was ticked-off with the SEAL’s successful raid, and passed information along about what they were doing, and where they would be.

IT ISN’T A COINCIDENCE THAT THE MEN WHO BROUGHT DOWN BIN LADEN WERE ALL KILLED IN ONE FELL SWOOP BY THE TALIBAN!

These men were given-up by our own government, and heads should roll, but the communist leaders in the White House are more slippery than a “Teflon Don.”
#120 August 6, 2011 at 8:00 pm
ruready? commented:
Obama killed these seals.

1) He gave their identity away.
2) He made them fly with a UN pilot – probably an unskilled aviator.
3) He dispirited them by playing politics on the front line by warning them they might not get paid.

Our President is a pre-meditated murderer of Navy Seals.
Strong letter to follow.

123 August 6, 2011 at 9:02 pm
sablegsd commented:
Something reeks mightily about this slaughter of our best and brightest.
I HATE that traitorous obamanation.

Prayers for the lost souls and their families.
And we need to get down on our knees and pray that God will turn his face to us again.

I second that prayer!


Many, many more at the GP site...and great links to click on and read, too.

The Blaze - Stories

SEALs Community Mourns Tremendous Loss - Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy WASHINGTON (AP) — Pentagon leaders are mourning the deaths of 38 U.S. and Afghan...

8 hours ago

Comments over at The Blaze are expressing deep sorrow and concern that the SEALS were set up.

loriann12
Posted on August 7, 2011 at 7:53am
My husband’s last duty station (ending in 2001) was working with the SEAL team out of Hawaii (Not Team Six, another one). He has a real soft spot for the SEAL teams. This ripped his heart out. We both think it was a trade-off for taking out Ben Laden…..”I’m going to have Ben Laden taken out, but don’t worry. At a later date I’ll hand over the men who took him out.” I think this goes all the way to the top.

TruthisHealthy
Posted on August 7, 2011 at 9:39am
America is being destroyed by enemies within. We must vote the treasonous anti-Americans out of office. Barry Soetoro and his thugs are responsible for this tragedy. No doubt in my mind.

jungle J
Posted on August 7, 2011 at 7:37am
someone appointed to the state department from the current administration tipped off the Taliban.

rettpr295
Posted on August 7, 2011 at 11:25am
I’ve read all the post on this subject. I’m telling you this whole mess does not pass the smell test. When Obummer needs to deflect negative focus I.e. Financial down grade, nothing surprises me about this corrupt administration. We may never know, but this massive loss of life of some of our finest fighting men, just seems to be a set up. I just hope we learn the truth someday. Obummer needs to go. How many believe that he will gin up some type of dire situation to prevent the 2012 election. I don’t believe this moron will leave office willingly. God bless our fighting men and women.

Hat Tips to all links and commenters.

The White House Public Relations Disaster

This morning, I received an essay via email from an author named Wes Pruden. He has written an awesome article entitled The insult to the American soldier.

When I reached his blog Pruden & Politics, I found out that you need to register in order to read the articles there.

Anyway, since I received this particular article via email and the email gave permission to share it with others, I decided to post the article in it's entirety here at Talk Wisdom.

~ Christine
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The insult to the American soldier


By Wesley Pruden




“Can’t anybody here play this game?”


The president, revealing himself to be Barack Obungle, has done what nobody else could have done, not even the spectacularly hapless original New York Mets, who drove Casey Stengel to his famous cry of terminal frustration.


The White House converted a picture-perfect military operation into a public-relations disaster that will be cited as what not to do and how not to do it in flackery textbooks for a hundred years. Days after the raid on Osama bin Laden’s “mansion” they still can’t get the “fact pattern,” in the language of the White House, even close to straight.


Even that ubiquitous photograph of the president, the secretary of state and assorted minions bravely watching the operation in “real time” looks now to have been a “photo-op” taken after the fact. This is the scene that the goofy John Brennan, the president’s anti-terrorism chief, described as one of unbearable tension endured heroically by the magnificent minions. Hillary seemed to be clutching her throat, choking back terror as she watched the raid unfold, but now Leon Panetta, the chief of the CIA, reveals that 24 minutes of the 40-minute video were “blacked out” by some kind of electronic malfunction. Maybe she was only wishing she had ordered pepperoni with extra cheese when the president sent out for pizza.


Can anyone imagine FDR and his generals canceling D-Day because an invasion might infuriate the Germans?


What a roller coaster ride: Osama bin Laden engaged the Seals in a firefight. Well, no, actually, it turns out he didn’t. But he did seize a woman, probably one of his wives, to use as a human shield. Uh, well, actually he didn’t do that, either. But he was armed, we know that for sure. Ummm, no, not really. OK, but we’re positive that woman was killed. Uh, not exactly. But we definitely, positively, absolutely know that Osama is dead. We have the photographs to prove it and the public can see them. Er, no, not quite. The president has them but you can’t see them. Everybody will just have to take his word for it.

That won’t happen, either. There was a time when everybody took a president’s word for everything. But nobody trusts the government on anything any more. Lies have withered public patience. Too bad, Mr. President, but you’ll have to show us the death certificate. No reasonable man can doubt that Osama is dead, dead, dead, but we’re talking now about the Middle East.

You might think the president would have rehearsed his minions in a story, even if concocted, so everybody would tell it like it is. The White House finally shut up with the explanation that “the fact pattern” is still being evaluated. It’s only now dawning on the president that he has done everything possible to guarantee an enduring worldwide harangue over whether Osama is in fact dead, how he was killed, whether dumping the body in the sea was wise, whether how he died violated the decencies of international custom, and whether burial traditions of Shariah law were followed before Osama became the ultimate fish dinner.

Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard law professor and one of the most distinguished criminal lawyers in the land, says “burying his body at sea constituted the willful destruction of evidence.” The doubts that will be contrived by Muslim red-hots would have been prevented if Osama’s body had been subjected to the usual forensic testing, extensive examination of entrance and exit wounds, and paraffin testing for gunpowder residue. “Dead bodies,” he writes in an essay in the Wall Street Journal, “often talk more loudly, clearly and unambiguously than live witnesses.” He notes that when a Muslim or a Jew is murdered in the United States “religious considerations do not trump civil circumstances.”

But the real offense of the Washington wimpery is pushing a weakling’s canard against the military, asserting that the photograph can’t be shown because it would make Muslim terrorists cross at us. But surely the Army and the Navy can take care of themselves; soldiers, sailors and Marines aren’t Campfire Girls. Can anyone imagine FDR and his generals canceling D-Day because an invasion might infuriate the Germans? Or that a Muslim terrorist will now salute an American soldier in Afghanistan and put down his rifle and grenade launcher, telling him “we really appreciate your president’s keeping that ugly photograph to himself.”

Americans come from Mars, so the witticism goes, and Europeans are from Venus. But that doesn’t include this president and his bungling minions. They’re weepy refugees from Pluto.

Hat Tip:

Prudent Politics.com via email.

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I ask once again.  Is it any wonder why the American public is very busy searching for the truth on the Internet about what actually happened that day?  Three cheers for the Navy SEALS who did a magnificent job! Can't say the same about how the White House handled the aftermath.

What Was Motive For BHO's Benghazi Cover-Up Scandal Lie? [Update 3!]

As Congress tries to get at the truth about the Benghazi Massacre and Cover-up, the BHO BADministration continues in its swampland of lies, deceit, changing stories, refusal to tell the truth, and doctoring explanations; like taking words out of a CIA report that labeled the attackers Al Qaida terrorists (changing it to the usual liberal drivel of "extremists").

I recently added a new blog to my blogroll.  It is called Moral Matters.org. and there is certainly some terrific writing going on over there!

The following blog post, entitled Obama’s greater lie: And a likely motive for his Benghazi cover-up scandal lie contains one of the best possible, explanations as to why that obscure You Tube video was used as an excuse and trotted out there by Ambassador Rice as a "lead up" to the Benghazi terrorist attack that killed Ambassador Stevens, former SEALS Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, and Foreign Services Officer, Sean Smith.

This is a Talk Wisdom Reports - You Decide kind of post.

In addition to pasting the entire post from Moral Matters, I am including some commentary in between with links to previous posts here at Talk Wisdom as well as posts, articles, commentary from others,  which I think helps boost the argument being shared by author Nathan M. Bickel at Moral Matters.org.

~  Christine

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Here is a copy of the post:

Obama’s greater lie: And a likely motive for his Benghazi cover-up scandal lie

 

November 17, 2012 Nathan M. Bickel


It is the contention of some that Obama lied to the American people when he repeatedly took the credit for Osama Bin Laden’s [supposed] demise. This author says, “Supposed,” for three reasons. First, there were previous reports of Bin Laden’s [previous] death. Secondly, Obama and his operatives provided no substantial forensic evidence that the Pakistan US Seal raid had actually and conclusively taken down Bin Laden. Thirdly, Obama dispensed with the (supposed) Al-Qaeda’ leader’s body, speedily and in such a manner, as to deny any future investigation and / or confirmation of the Obama assassination narrative.

[See these posts and links for information regarding Osama Bin Laden's death years ago: Talk Wisdom: Is Zawahiri Big Kahuna Now? and Hot Air where the authenticity of tapes of Osama in 2007 were suspicious. There is also the comment from Benazir Bhutto prior to her assassination that Bin Laden was dead.]

Then, once all this (supposedly) took place according to Obama’s directive, America and the world began to hear Obama remind them, that he had tracked down the world’s most infamous terrorist and sent him on his eternal journey. In the backdrop of all of this Obama narrative, has been Obama claiming that Bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda’ terrorist organization was on the run and barely surviving.

It is, no wonder then, that Obama would spread the flagrant lie of an anti Islamic video and spontaneous uprising, precipitating the Benghazi terrorist attack, which left 4 Americans dead; among whom, was Ambassador, Chris Stevens. Obama’s directive to spread this flagrant video [narrative] lie, was so imperative, that Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, Sec. of Defense Leon Panetta and UN Ambassador Susan Rice, all stood by their Pied Piper, White House occupier, liar.

[Important update!! See: 

Walid Shoebat

What do CNN and Innocence of Muslims filmmaker share in Common?

52 minutes ago

 

Excerpt:  On September 11, 2012 attacks on U.S. embassies took place all across the Middle East (Benghazi was a coordinated terrorist attack), most notably in Cairo. Attackers blamed an anti-Muhammad video called Innocence of Muslims. Magically, those who laid siege were not responsible for their own actions. There was evidence of foul play in the video’s production as well. In post-production editing, the words Muslims found most incendiary appeared to be dubbed in; the actors said they were duped.

We have now learned that CNN is responsible for putting forth egregious propaganda… on video. It is the kind of propaganda that, in the past, has been blamed for – you guessed it – violence in the Middle East. Like in the year 2000, it involves the exploitation of a young Palestinian boy.]

This gave the Obama presidential campaign time to speed itself to Election Day before the truth about Obama’s attempted Benghazi scandal cover-up would soon become more media, widespread.
 

[Note - Hot Air asks: Was Obama briefed that Benghazi was a terror attack before Rice went on TV?   Also see: Gateway Pundit: HE LIED… Obama Was Told Benghazi Was Terrorist Attack Not YouTube Protest Within 72 Hours.  Also see:  TownHall: Chambliss on Benghazi Hearing: ‘So Obvious’ It Was a Terrorist Attack]

And, so, the greater lie in the background of the smokescreen video lie, [supposedly] sparking (causing) a spontaneous Muslim terrorist attack on the Benghazi consulate, is the lie which Obama desired to protect. But, why? Is it because (according to some reports) Obama wanted to keep under wraps his secretive “gun running” activity to Islamic terrorists, among whom are multiplying Al-Qaeda’ terrorists, – a major contradiction to his deceptive Bin Laden kill, narrative? Why won’t Obama be forthcoming? Also, didn’t Obama say in the past that if the political winds would change, he would stand by his Muslim brothers?

[See: Talk Wisdom: Benghazi Research: Obama Arming al-Qaeda – Reason for Libya Cover Up? We Think It’s Even Bigger (New Maps of CIA Annex Included)]

[How strange it was that Bin Laden's body was disposed of in the sea within 24 hours of his (supposed) death. This was not enough time to get results of a DNA test. Also, no photos were allowed to the media or public. What's wrong with that picture? At least the Bush Administration allowed photos to be shown of dictator Saddam Hussein's capture, trial, death sentence, and his ultimate demise by hanging. Why all the mystery surrounding Osama Bin Laden's demise?]
 

[UPDATE:   Fake Osama bin Laden Burial at Sea on Super Aircraft Carrier with Crew of Over 6,000: No Sailors Saw It]  H/T Commie Blaster.com

Those who love traditional and patriotic America: It is time to cease giving Barack Hussein Obama the benefit of any doubt. There is much now known about Obama’s background and loyalties, than to seriously think of him (anymore) as a loyal American. He’s lied repeatedly to the American people from the beginning, about his real identity. And, this whole Benghazi cover-up scandal illustrates that Obama continues on his pathological lying path.

[See: The Ulsterman Report: Barack Obama’s Benghazi LIES-LIES-LIES-LIES-LIES…]

The following has been found on the web. It offers a very likely motive for Obama’s continued Benghazi cover-up scandal. I believe that no other scenario best fits, as to explain why our White House occupier has not been honest and forthright with the American people:

 According to sources in the State Department and the CIA, and intercepted communications from the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama “staged” the attack in Benghazi in order to create a monumental “October Surprise” that would guarantee him re-election.

[See Talk Wisdom: Video: Benghazi Attack Was Botched Kidnapping To Trade Blind Sheik!! [Updates]]

Yes, you read that right, and no, I’m not making this up. Obama, we now know, is and has been working with the Muslim Brotherhood secretly to engineer the release of the “Blind Sheik,” Omar Abdel Rahman, the mastermind behind the 1993 World Trade Center attack.

In Obama’s October Surprise, he intentionally set up the consulate to have no security so that Chris Stevens could be kidnapped, and held for ransom by Al-Qaeda (and the Muslim Brotherhood). Then, several days before the election, the plan was to trade Chris Stevens for the Blind Sheik, making himself look like a hero, and all but guaranteeing re-election.

This was one of the top reasons why Obama was so insistent on the Muslim Brotherhood getting $1.2 Billion in U.S. Aid. They were to have a primary role in getting Obama re-elected. That is why, even though they knew days before the attack that it was going to occur, no effort was made to bolster security. It was intended to be non-existent. The Libyan security forces were intended to quietly slip into the night when the attack began. And they did, just as planned. That is why, even though 2 C-130U gunships, which were built SPECIFICALLY for this kind of attack, and which could have saved the lives of our people there and were a mere 45 minutes away, were never scrambled at any time during the attack.

There was to be no resistance whatsoever. That is why there were not one, but TWO armed drones flying over the consulate during the conflagration… our CIA operatives on the ground were painting targets because they knew air cover was available. That is why, even though requesting support and backup three times, their requests were NOT ignored, but were intentionally, specifically DENIED three times, and they were told to “stand down,” which basically means to “surrender.” That was part of Obama’s plan.

They were not to fight back. That would potentially undermine the kidnapping effort and cause unnecessary “complications.” That is why, even though the CIA operatives and ex-Navy Seals were on the ground, providing real-time reports, and even though they were “lighting up” the source of the mortars attacking the compound with lasers, no gunships or support ever came. They weren’t supposed to resist.
 

[Recall the video where Ty Woods father said that "shaking hands with BHO was like shaking hands with a dead fish" and that BHO wouldn't look him in the eye when he said in a little boy's schoolyard voice, "I'm sorry for your loss."  It is because this brave ex-Navy SEAL hero ignored the "stand down" orders and went in to save those being attacked!  Watergate took a year to come to fruition before Nixon resigned.  I pray to God that Benghazi-Gate will get BHO impeached and removed from the White House!!]

That wasn’t “part of the plan.” It also wasn’t part of the plan for one of the CIA operatives to intentionally defy Obama’s orders, and who rescued the body of Sean Smith and then stood up again, and engaged the enemy who was attacking American soil. It was supposed to be “clean.” Quick. Efficient.

[We are getting closer, due to General Petraeus' testimony, to finding out that it was someone at the White House who must have uttered the stand down order! SEAL Father: Who Denied Military Aid During Benghazi Attack? ]

Kidnap the Ambassador and get out. Then Save The Day in the “nick of time.” They didn’t factor in a tiny group of highly trained ex-Navy Seals/CIA operatives… American Patriots and heroes. Even though they eventually lost their lives in the firefight, they managed to employ the full measure of their skills, and took out over 80 attackers in the process… which enraged the attackers, who were led to believe that they would encounter no resistance.
 

[Note:  According to Wikipedia - only 9 attackers died. A FreeRepublic commentator wrote that 10 died.  Need more research on this to determine the exact number.]

THAT is why Ambassador Stevens was raped (sodomized), murdered, and dragged through the streets.

[See: Talk Wisdom: Breaking News About Ambassador Stevens (Warning: Graphic details) and especially conservative gay blogger at Hillbuzz who reported why the lefties and the media denied that this actually happened to Stevens.]

In their warped minds, they believed that they had been betrayed by the U.S. yet again. They believed that Obama was their friend. They believed that they were going to get their beloved Blind Sheik back. And yet, here were 80 of their own… dead by American hands.

Obama was asked directly in an interview if he denied their request for assistance, he refused to answer, and instead droned on with a canned response promising to “bring those responsible to justice.

“Former CIA and State Dept. personnel are coming out now with damning evidence that indicts President Obama, and reveals the truth about what is going on. Hillary Clinton, who is now openly laying the blame at the feet of the President, after falling on her sword in a premature show of loyalty for the Administration.

The “Video” defense was carefully crafted WEEKS in advance, to explain the attack. If this doesn’t outrage you, If you are not moved enough to contact your congressman about this, you are not worthy of your citizenship.

Much more to read via Moral Matters.org:

Related: Moralmatters.org web page of blog articles that have followed the Benghazi Cover-up Scandal:

Obama Benghazi Cover-up Scandal – moralmatters.org/

Also:

• Obama: Public Enemy Number One – moralmatters.org/2012/11/02/

• Democratic National Convention nominates serial liar, sex offender and extortion expert – moralmatters.org/2012/09/07/

• Obama Lies – He Must Shame Even the Devil – moralmatters.org/2012/05/24/

• How to Spot a Pathological Liar – wikihow.com/

• Liars go to hell – thechristianmessage.org/2012/04/

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Posted by: Pastor emeritus Nathan M. Bickel

• http://www.thechristianmessage.org/

• http://moralmatters.org/

Hat Tips: Moral Matter.org
               All additional links.

Note: More links may be added this week.

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Update:  November 18, 2012

We the People:  Obama’s Taqqiya Unravels

Copy of post:

Nonie Darwish comments below “Both Sharia and socialism are united in their envy of Western society and need to change it.”
Here I disagree with Ms. Darwish in that Obama doesn’t envy Western society he has done his best to apologize for it and loathes it.
If not why the Muslim bowing tour apologizing for America’s exceptionalism?

Taqiyya defined:

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it, I’m J.C. and I approve this message. The American ThinkerBy Nonie Darwish

I have never entertained the idea that Obama was a Muslim and always believed he was a socialist. But Obama’s behavior over the last four years regarding Islam has convinced me that Obama has a Socialist/Islamic centered worldview — a combination that is not uncommon in many parts of the Muslim world.

Having been a journalist in Egypt for six years in the seventies, I have witnessed socialism with an Islamic twist to be a popular political ideology, especially amongst Arab journalists and intellectuals. Socialism, and even communism, have managed to survive in the ruthless Islamic political system as an alternative to full-fledged Sharia.

The two ideologies have blended together in cases including the Baath Party in Syria and Iraq and socialist regimes in Egypt and Yemen. One major difference between the two ideologies is that Islam uses Allah, while socialism uses atheism, to fight the God of Christianity. ( complete article follows)

Free democracies, such as the United States, are alien to Islam and socialism both because they regard government as a servant of the people and hold that human rights are granted by God and not by government or the code of Sharia.

Both Sharia and socialism are united in their envy of Western society and need to change it. That is why Obama has become the savior of both Islam and socialism. He embodies both ideologies. The claim that Obama is a Christian was a silly joke, but a necessary lie for the greater cause of changing America to fit the goals of both creeds.

Obama became the One, the savior of both Islam and socialists. To do that, Obama had to deny who he really was, which explains why his actions and words have never added up. At the recent Alfred E. Smith Catholic Charity dinner speech, Obama did not seem to be just kidding when he said that Romney uses his middle name Mitt and “I wish I could use my middle name.” Obama was referring, of course, to his Islamic middle name of Hussein. In Obama’s mind, he was not ashamed for having deceived America — he blamed America for putting him in the position of having to deny his true pride in his middle name.

That brings us to an important discovery by WND in an article by Jerome Corsi titled: “Obama’s Ring: ‘There is no God But Allah’.” The article featured close-up photos of a ring still worn by Obama today in the White House, one that he has worn since his visit to Pakistan as a young man. The ring, which later also became his wedding ring, has very tiny and discrete Arabic calligraphy that means nothing to Americans, but to Arabic-speaking people like myself and Dr. Mark Gabriel, means quite a lot. Such Islamic calligraphy is commonly found throughout the gold markets of the Muslim world. I am not a writing expert, but I can clearly see on the ring the word ‘La Ilaha IllaAllah. (“There is no god but god.”)’ Such a sentence in Arabic has a lot of the letters A and L which in Arabic are simply a straight line like the number one.

The only explanation for Obama’s exciting ring secret is that he is a closet Muslim and feels that he can serve Islam best if he denies his being a Muslim for the purpose of a higher aspiration to serve the Muslim world from the White House, in Islamic terms the “higher jihad.” Obama has no problem whatsoever in lying for the sake of “Hope and Change” since lying about being a Muslim in a majority non-Muslim country is allowed under Islam. Lying for the purpose of jihad (known as “taqqiya”) is not only allowed, but an obligation to be proud of and even serves as a reason to blame the enemies of Islam for one’s lies. Sharia law states: “Lying is obligatory if the purpose is obligatory.” Muslim clerics have no problem in lying not just to the non-Muslim world but even to the Muslim masses, since Islam also allows Muslims to lie in order to bring Muslims together in harmony and friendship.

That brings us to the current debacle in Libya, which can only be understood if we grasp Obama’s worldviews as regards the “Muslim World.” Like the so-called ‘moderate’ Muslims, Obama insists Islam in and of itself has nothing to do with terrorism and blames previous American foreign policy (along with Israel), for Islamic anger. Obama narrowed down the problem of Islamism to Al Qaeda while embracing other Islamic groups, such as the Muslim Brotherhood, as moderate. In the process, Obama dismissed the Brotherhood’s long history of terror, which in fact gave birth to Al Qaeda and hundreds of other terror groups. Nothing in Obama’s world is the fault of Islam, which is why he ordered the Fort Hood massacre to be classified as “workplace violence” and not Islamic terrorism.
Obama believes that he uniquely understands the Muslim world and will bring about a new era of peace with Islam, at least during his administration. There are strong rumors in Egypt that when Obama met with the Egyptian foreign minister, he confided in him that he was a Muslim and that he would assist the Islamic cause in America after he passes the Health Care Bill.

But as president of the United States, Obama was caught in a quagmire between protecting American lives and appearing loyal to Islam. Placing American Marines at US consulates in dangerous terror-infested Islamic countries created the possibility of a bloody confrontation between American security and Islamists. That would discredit Obama’s attempt to separate Islam from terrorism. Also, if Obama confronted militant Muslim jihadists in Islamic countries, his entire claim to opening a new page in American/Islamic relations would fall apart. He would then be no different from his predecessors, Bush or Reagan.

That explains why the demands for American security by U.S. ambassador Stevens went unanswered. Obama did not want to deal with the possibility that American Marines would shoot at Muslim attackers in order to save American lives.

According to Sharia, it is a capital crime for a Muslim individual or leader to shoot at fellow Muslims — even Islamists — for the purpose of protecting Americans. That would make Obama a violator of Sharia and an apostate. If Obama considers himself a Muslim and wears an Islamic ring, then he must have had a very hard time deciding on how to protect the consulate without killing Muslim attackers. His solution? Settling for the lesser of two evils: getting Muslims, in the form of Libyan security, to guard the property and in this way, forcing Muslims to shoot other Muslims in order to defend the consulate. But that plan was useless because even the Muslim guards had to follow Sharia, and ran away and left the Americans to be killed rather than violate Sharia themselves by killing other Muslims. Obama gambled with the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others and left them as sacrificial lambs rather than violate the dictates of Sharia.

The Benghazi fiasco merely underlined Obama’s failed promises of peace with the Muslim world. The murder of Americans at the hand of Muslims did not even get us an apology from any Muslim leader or cleric. No one is taking responsibility, not even Obama himself.

With the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Islamists and jihadists made it clear to us that they could care less about Obama, his appeasement, his apologies, and even his Islam. They could not put jihad on hold or restrain themselves on behalf of an American president who wanted to help build a better image of Islam. They could not play the game with Obama and refrain from jihad even during the Obama presidency. The jihadists in effect declared that Obama, Muslim or not, is just another American president who should not be trusted. No leader, Muslim or not, can get away from the wrath of Islamic jihad, and that is why angry Islamic mobs were recently seen torching Obama’s effigy.

It is unfortunate that it took a tragedy in Libya and the lives of decent Americans to prove that Obama is unfit to be president of the USA. Obama has fooled many Americans for four years and that is why, when he sees the face of Mitt Romney, he is reminded of a reality that he could not fully eliminate. Obama knows the game, and his presidency, is over.

Nonie Darwish author The Devil We Don’t Know and President Former Muslims United.
 

Also see: Book TV: Nonie Darwish "Cruel and Usual Punishment"

Hat tip: We the People:  Obama’s Taqqiya Unravels

Obama Wasn’t Told Until the Mission Was Under Way?

As the story about what really led up to the raid on UBL's compound in Pakistan (and who was ultimately in charge of the final decision to attack when the SEALS did) keeps changing and the previous decisions (e.g. to release the photos of bin Laden, then not to release them) made are changed, is it any wonder that the American people have doubts about this important event?

There are the naysayers who poo-poo the White House Insider story that I included in my post yesterday. However, many blogs are posting it and very interesting comments have helped to show that the scenario described by the Insider sounds more plausible than what the White House and media of mass deception are putting out.

I found a very reputable blog, the PJ Tattler at Pajamas Media, that posted the same story that I did yesterday. Here is a link:

PJ Tattler - Pajamas Media: Leon Panetta, not Obama, issued order to kill bin Laden?

As you can see, the author of the blog posed the Insider article in the form of a question within the title of the post. That was probably wise since we cannot know for sure whether or not what was written is the absolute truth.

I am pointing readers here to that blog so that you can see the back and forth banter between the commentators in the comment section. It's quite interesting, to say the least. You will also get more logical deductions from the readers there - especially when they are discussing the fact that Obama went golfing on such a momentous day when this extremely important event was about to happen. It does point to the question as to whether or not Obama knew exactly when the raid was going to happen. It helps explain why Leon Panetta could make the final decision - because Obama gave him the authority to do so when he saw it as feasible.

I just could not imagine former President George W. Bush going golfing on the day that the decision was made to get bin Laden. It would NEVER HAPPEN! He would not do something so trivial just before the final order was given to raid a compound in Pakistan in order to get bin Laden, dead or alive. Can you imagine Bush doing such a thing? I can't.

I really wish that there weren't any questions swirling around the bin Laden raid and killing. It makes us look bad to the rest of the world. But when there is a suspected cover-up of true events taking place, we cannot turn a blind eye. At least that is the way that I see it.

I celebrate the fact that Osama bin Laden is dead. I commend all who were involved in carrying out this dangerous mission - especially the brave Navy SEALS who put their own lives in jeopardy to get bin Laden. Justice was finally done for the thousands of people who lost loved ones on 9/11/01. It won't bring their loved ones back or even change their grief over their loss, but perhaps it will help them have some semblance of peace knowing that this mass murderer, once and for all, can never give an order to murder ever again.

There are dozens of comments that you need to read at the link above.

One that makes me tend to believe the Insider story was this one:

48. Roger
“Wrong at the White House…” The old adage goes that “if you lie, you have to lie 1000 times to cover it up” and that would certainly fit the song and dance(s) coming from the WH and Press Sec.

After reading the article I would have to say that “everything lines up” and fits to a tee the persona of a ‘weak’ and ‘manipulated’ puppet. Certainly the batting average of the reporter is pretty good and the specifics, right down to the ‘papers’ to read (from) not being present going in BUT being present coming out (small details but seemingly very telling)…
And yes, the ‘body language’, the guy sitting in the corner in the pic with his gold shirt on and a rather confused look, Oh, yeah, he is the President. He looks more like someone who should be serving coffee – meek, no real fact based opinions… flows with the wind (or Soros)…
I ‘think’ I believe the article… and we may never know for sure but when “outside” facts (times and people) line up with the suggested report then it certainly adds credibility.

We have been lied to so many times by this gangster government administration, it is hard for me to believe that they can actually tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth anymore.

I could post and comment about many more comments at that link, but you can go over and read them for yourself.

Here are the last three (as of 5/5/11 at 7:41 a.m. PT):

60. Count de Money
Here’s another piece of the official narrative that doesn’t pass the smell test but fits in nicely with the Insider’s account.

It is 233 miles straight line distance from Bagram AFB to the Abbottabad compound. We know that one of the helicopters used was a Chinook, probably a MH-47. The cruise speed of a Chinook is about 150 MPH and the service ceiling is about 10,000 ft. However, helicopters probably couldn’t fly in a straight line because of mountains higher than the service ceiling. Let’s assume it took about 2 hours to get to the target.

The raid was said to occur at 3:30 PM EDT. That means the copters had to leave Bagram at about 1:30 PM. At that time however, Obama was on the golf course at Andrews AFB and didn’t get back to the White House until 2:04 PM. So at the time the most important military mission of Obama’s tenure is taking off, he’s putting on the ninth hole? WTF?

This does fit into Insiders account that Obama wasn’t told until the mission was under way.

May 4, 2011 - 9:17 pm Link to this Comment | Reply Count de Money
Source for the golf timeline:
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/05/01/obama-golfs-weekend-row/

“The president left the White House to play golf at 9:42 am, arriving at the Andrews Air Force Base course about 25 minutes later, according to the press pool report. He then ended his game after nine holes at 1:39 pm and made it back to the White House at 2:04 pm, about two hours before the attack on Bin Laden appears to have occurred.”

May 4, 2011 - 9:33 pm Link to this Comment | Reply Geronimo
Yup…

Seriously, is there not even one DC reporter interested in the fact that O might have been on a golf course when the birds were in the air and minutes from the actual assault?

No clarification on the May 1st timeline whatsoever?

God help us.